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Posted by js4ever 19 hours ago

Northflank Breached(status.northflank.com)
433 points | 315 commentspage 2
anuptalwalkar 16 hours ago|
Unfortunately, this is going to be an everyday story. More and more bugs and breaches will be discovered and this move fast world more and more will be continued to be made.

Security is a perception, but right now it seems like it needs good PR.

ankit70 18 hours ago||
How these Paas (Railway before) are being breached? Poor choices or something else? Scary Nonetheless. I thought AI advancement will make the self hosting painful. If PaaS are no good, then what can be done?
btown 18 hours ago||
Modern PaaS is tough because there's a general expectation that users (and agents) are able to see and read back environment variables in their management UI or CLI - which means that you can't segregate credential values from the public web environment. See e.g. the visibility icons on https://northflank.com/docs/v1/application/secure/inject-sec...

And sure, you can encrypt at rest, and perhaps even enforce that only re-encrypted versions are ever seen by the management/API web server. But fundamentally this display requirement means that if your management/API web server is compromised, users' secrets can be obtained by a process of impersonation.

corford 17 hours ago|||
Stuff made during the move fast and break things era now doesn't hold up very well in the AI era. Or to say another way: startups are very vulnerable now - this new environment is unforgiving towards cutting corners and/or having inexperienced devs
SoftTalker 16 hours ago|||
I think the ultimate fallout will be that software "engineers" will finally have to become "engineers" in the real sense, i.e. professionally licensed and personally responsible for the designs they approve and the software they build, whether the actual code is produced by LLMs or humans.

As costs and broader economic impact and perhaps even injuries/deaths related to software breaches continue to grow, there will be growing intolerace for vulnerable software, just as there was intolerance for collapsing bridges and buildings.

And I'd also at some point expect something like a "building code" that applies to software that will be exposed to the public.

tortasaur 14 hours ago||
If anything, I see us moving even further away from professional licensing. The field's rate of change was the main reason behind a lack of any professional body, and that's only accelerating. I expect compliance audits like SOC2 to actually get teeth, though, and for organizations to be expected to actually fix issues instead of the usual security theater.
seanw444 17 hours ago|||
Nope. The solution is to move even faster and thus break less things via AI.
bongofizzbuzz 17 hours ago|||
The "move faster and break things" have been unbundled. SaaS moves faster. Hackers break things.
corford 17 hours ago||||
For new stuff, maybe. I'm talking about existing startups now absorbing the onslaught of AI.
seanw444 16 hours ago||
I was just being sarcastic.
this_user 16 hours ago|||
If you move fast enough, they can't find the vulnerabilities in your system before you deploy the next version.
trouve_search 18 hours ago|||
Why would ai advancement make self hosting painful? Apart from increased cost of hardware (which you implicitly would pay for in PaaS as well anyways).

If anything, AI makes running linux boxes much easier than 4 years ago; it's now faster and the learning cliff is gone to get the correct CLI commands and digging into system logs.

roncesvalles 11 hours ago|||
I had this exact thought yesterday. Shouldn't AI obliterate PaaS platforms like this one since it's super easy to build a bespoke CI/CD process now? Since it's bespoke, you can lock it down as much as you want. Attackers don't even know it's there. It's time to go back to `deploy.sh` and a VPS.
whimsicalism 18 hours ago||||
platforms are better placed to guard against attackers
pluralmonad 17 hours ago||
Certainly. They are also larger targets.
whimsicalism 17 hours ago||
to me, this is a variant of security by obscurity and will not fare well in the LLM age
pluralmonad 11 hours ago||
I suppose a smaller attack surface could be considered a sort of obscurity. Its also just practically less to defend.
monster_truck 18 hours ago|||
if you're still doing that manually in 2026 you probably should not be self hosting anything of consequence or commercial liability
dns_snek 18 hours ago||
What's "that"? Running your own hardware, using a CLI to manage servers, or touching anything below your application layer?
monster_truck 11 hours ago||
obviously asking claude for commands to dig through logs? duh
ascorbic 15 hours ago|||
They're high-value targets, so that's what attackers are pointing the agents at
reducesuffering 17 hours ago|||
According to HN of the last year, "marketing stunts." Remember when Mythos preview was announced only 6 months ago
vorpalhex 18 hours ago||
When you build something small, you can easily see all the doors and properly guard them.

As you build something bigger and bigger, quickly, with several people building, guarding all the doors becomes exceptionally difficult without a kind of aggressive discipline which is contrary to the "go fast" culture.

Cybersecurity in practice until now, for most companies, has been an insurance problem, not a quality problem.

Such companies are quickly discovering that insurance is a post-hoc partial correction and not a proper solution.

This situation will not improve anytime soon for most companies.

The solution does not require any new magical tools.

carimura 19 hours ago||
i'm surprised at the growth of all these neoclouds given the current security risk climate...
dash-44 15 hours ago|
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Northflank, Railway etc aren’t neoclouds. They’re PaaS providers which is quite different.
lifeisloving 2 hours ago||
Lots of panic around these incidents. This is a healing process. Companies who sacraficed on security for a long time are incurring the consequences, they'll adjust their posture or go out of business. In a year I think platforms will be a lot more hardened. Its not because AI is unstoppable, its just revealing holes and the importance of hiring competent people.

(or things will stay messy because people will throw AI at the problems instead of hiring real security professionals)

The sky isn't falling.

neya 17 hours ago||

    Run agents and everything they build. Secure execution from the first sandbox

Getting hacked while in the business of selling a secure sandbox isn't really a good look. It seems like can't even trust anything these days. The other day OpenCode got hacked and leaked everyone's secrets inside .env to attackers and now this. Sigh.
kragen 16 hours ago|
There's no point in attacking the security of a company that doesn't try to provide any.
ksajadi 13 hours ago||
i wonder if there is a chain reaction point, when one compromised vendor holds secrets to another one and that becomes the next target. Northflank lists Sentry as their customer. So if Northflank secrets are decrypted and Sentry used them for deployment, you have a starting point to attack Sentry next which then opens up a lot more.
mlhpdx 13 hours ago||
Is the Network Infrastructure Hiding Protocol work at IEEE going to help thwart AI assisted attacks, if adopted?
itissid 16 hours ago||
So if you want to judge as a customer for selection and figure out how likely a new(ish) PaaS company going to get breached, how would you evaluate them?

1. Ask them about what percentage of their own resources goes towards cybersecurity, audits etc. Would they even tell you.

2. Technical stack maturity. If the details are available, because they won't reveal any of it to you.

3. Other signals: Do they give talks on platform security, who is incharge of their cyber security.

happyopossum 16 hours ago|
There is an entire practice of cyber risk analysis, and most of the companies I work with do this type of due diligence as part of their vendor management process.

Yes:

* you do ask about things like budget allocation, audits, and internal compliance processes.

* you do ask about the tech stack, how it is maintained, and what the patch and disclosure policies and SLOs are

No:

*you do not rely on what figureheads say publicly; none of that is binding in the way legal agreements are

And if you're a vendor, your deals desk probably has all of these answers packaged up and ready to go; or even published on a website like this https://spyglass.trustshare.com/home (no idea who that is, it's a random company's compliance portal I found while googling my employers compliance portal provider).

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SubiculumCode 10 hours ago||
If the banks don't hold, nor will the center.
loa_in_ 14 hours ago|
The bigger the task, the bigger the surface, the bigger the risk.
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