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Posted by pretext 5 hours ago

Anthropic blocks users for anything touching training larger models(twitter.com)
147 points | 51 commentspage 2
ktosobcy 2 hours ago|
> You built your models on the world's data

most important bit…: stealing world's data…

jquery 1 hour ago|
You wouldn't download a car
TomatoCo 1 hour ago||
If what they did isn't stealing then they should have no problem with people training off of them.
simondotau 48 minutes ago|||
Fairness isn’t the relevant lens. Copyright isn’t the right lens either. This is purely might-makes-right, where the winner is whoever has the best offence and best defence.

It is only hypocritical when they bitch about things being unfair, or try to use copyright arguments in the court system.

gruez 1 hour ago|||
Well their justification is that distillation is bad because it means baddies can get their own models without their safeguards and then make anthrax nukes or whatever. Even though it's self serving, it's at least self-consistent.
tarpitt 1 hour ago||
Holy shit man the lockdown is coming. I've used claude to set up my abliterated qwen local LLM setup, but they're gonna eventually lock that down too.

I wanted to finetune it a bit, I wonder if I am gonna have to dogfood if claude refuses to help me.

If you don't have a local LLM setup you're gonna be permanant local LLM-less underclass.

_3u10 1 hour ago|
There’s models other than Claude.
tarpitt 1 hour ago||
There are now
wds 30 minutes ago||
Qwen3.8-27b matches Opus 4.6's performance and is less than a 32GB download at 8-bit quantization. How would, could that disappear?

Even if you take it down, you can just torrent it.

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:151e277c267b3b4880ae93ef405977009599a6f3&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.pirateface.co%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Ftracker.pirateface.co%3A6969%2Fannounce&ws=https%3A%2F%2Fpirateface.co%2Fapi%2Fws%2FQwen%2FQwen3.8-27B-FP8%2F017b9c7af6b5689d5dd426a76e0bc077eb5ca20a%2F

dcl 1 hour ago||
Will Claude help me with reinforcement learning code for games? Or is that too small-fry for it to refuse? I've been playing around with RL with the new DeepSeek Flash model but it seems to trip up over itself a bit.
silentkat 1 hour ago|
I have been doing RL for Magic the Gathering (longshot but having fun). Several times it triggered this flag. But that was a couple months ago. Everyone went crazy over Astra so I switched to open ai and had no issues. People are now going crazy over opus 5.5 so I’m playing with that.

Haven’t hit any issues so far, but two months in the code is very dirty but functional enough that I’m redoing it with more heavy hand holding.

I recommend having a paper as reference in mind if you don’t already know what you’re doing. I’m referencing the Stratego paper as reading that a year ago gave me the inspiration to try MTG.

Every model I’ve used has had a lot of trouble but if it wasn’t I figure I wouldn’t be having as much fun as I’ve been having or learning so much.

gdiamos 2 hours ago||
Where I draw the line is asking Claude to label training data. I don’t do this.

I ask it questions about large models like big MoEs all the time. I’ve never had it refuse a question, but I would expect it to refuse sometimes.

For training data from existing models I just get open models to spill their guts. It’s fine

In industry we train employees to not reveal proprietary information.

I think it would be easier to do this for a model than a lot of employees

cisc 2 hours ago|
> Where I draw the line is asking Claude to label training data. I don’t do this.

Why draw any line? Anthropic doesn't. They actively take the world's intellectual property, don't pay for it, and put it behind a paywall.

> but I would expect it to refuse sometimes.

Why? Anthropic's dream is to be exempted from copyright altogether. They've been trying to achieve exactly that:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/oct/02/anthropic...

Given they want no restrictions on them, why should there be any restriction on anyone else?

gdiamos 1 hour ago|||
One of my points of my ethical framework is that IP is valuable and should not be stolen.

Another way of saying is that hard work that advances the state of the art should be rewarded. Patents should exist.

I’m sure they are watching what I’m doing and would retaliate via service cut off and legal action if I crossed it egregiously and they found out.

I would do the same thing if a user or employee did this to my IP.

I don’t completely buy the argument of web scraping being an IP violation.

I don’t send my core ip in an email to my main competitors and I don’t post it on the internet.

simondotau 43 minutes ago|||
We were never this absolutist about intellectual property when individuals were the perpetrators. I don’t feel morally entitled to criticise Big AI for doing what individuals have done for centuries.
cisc 38 minutes ago||
No? The United States disagrees:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Swartz

https://www.thedailybeast.com/aaron-swartzs-unbending-prosec...

If an individual had done what Anthropic continues to do then they would be jailed for life.

cisc 41 minutes ago|||
> One of my points of my ethical framework is that IP is valuable and should not be stolen.

Anthropic's business model is premised on intellectual property theft. They take it without paying for it.

You are compromising your ethical framework by using Anthropic's products.

kelseyfrog 1 hour ago|||
> Given they want no restrictions on them, why should there be any restriction on anyone else?

Because corporations are not moral agents; they're economic agents. This arrangement would be great for shareholder, nothing more.

mapontosevenths 2 hours ago||
I'm using it to train models with a novel linear flash attention mechanism right now. No refusals, and it's been running for at least a week solid.

I suspect this person was actively using it to generate or classify training data directly.

JBits 2 hours ago|
What sort of data are you getting Claude to generate?
mapontosevenths 24 minutes ago||
It's not generating the data directly, just writing code and babysitting while models train.

I suspect that's the difference here. I'm not trying to use Claude to build a competitor. I'm doing small scale research.

schleck8 1 hour ago||
This is not a ban, but the Opus 5.5 "safeguard" interrupting a query.
Buttons840 1 hour ago||
If anyone out there wants to pay for my LLM bill, I'll record and send you all the outputs they generate in exchange (perhaps with some exceptions).

I mean, these AI companies have money, and they want data. I have data, and I want money. Maybe we can work something out.

In a world where buying and selling data is central to entire industries, why shouldn't I gather and sell my own data?

nubinetwork 3 hours ago||
Kindof old news, they've been doing this for months...
pkoird 3 hours ago|
Better block than falsify information. Last I heard they were deliberately botching it whenever someone asked semi-advanced questions on model training.
jbellis 2 hours ago|||
They walked that part back within days. Still made me permanently leery off relying on anthropic for anything important.
dominotw 3 hours ago|||
so models can reveal "advanced" model building secrets ? how?

How is it a secret if everyone has a model that is exactly like the other. Surely there are no secrets

impossiblefork 2 hours ago|||
It could be simple training tips that are obvious, but which any particular builder might miss.
nostrebored 2 hours ago||||
I don’t think it is revelation, it feels like active incompetence. You can lay out every decision and watch Claude/OpenAI actively fuck up in inexplicable ways.
georgemcbay 3 hours ago|||
> Surely there are no secrets

Not yet, especially not with all of the incestuous cross-hiring that all the labs do.

But perhaps the various L. Bob Rife variants running these labs are using their advanced unreleased models to work on their own Snow Crashes.

giancarlostoro 3 hours ago||
I have been using it to train a few BERT models.
alansaber 2 hours ago|
I doubt BERT would trip safeguards
cft 1 hour ago|
There have been a lot of write-ups about the future of AI. I see two distinct futures:

1. You get ID'd and biometrically scanned to be able to use powerful AI, and after you get de-platformed by an opaque censorship system, you are a digital bum. Same life as homeless now: they cannot even open a bank account because they don't have an address.

2. Local models win, perhaps with the assistance of Apple, and people run suffiently powerful models on the client computers.

My bet is on 1.

gattr 1 hour ago|
3. LLMs are fully commoditized, your country funds training of SoTA models, your town runs them in the municipal data center; everything tax-funded. You can use them for a modest fee, as easily as taking a train. When interacting with those LLMs, your privacy is guaranteed by law.
iAMkenough 57 minutes ago||
How many municipalities offer the services of ISPs? I know it’s not zero, but decades of private ISPs leading the market leads me to believe municipal data centers won’t be made available to residents.

How often would municipal data centers need to upgrade/replace hardware? What impact would that have on local tax levy rates?

Would you choose to relocate your family to the next town over because they have more available RAM?

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