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Posted by LecroJS 18 hours ago

Ask HN: Which TV do you recommend for privacy?

I haven’t owned a TV in years and would like one that respects my privacy. Are there any TV’s which do this well? I am looking for something in the 60”to 80”range and would like a 4k display with at least 60hz display. I don’t mind paying a premium.

I have heard good things about Apple TV as a better alternative to most smart TV native apps. Would some TV’s pair better with this than others for privacy? I don’t want the TV doing anything other than being the display for Apple TV.

I am curious what success others have had.

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phyzix5761 9 hours ago|
Get a big monitor with all the specs you want and connect it to an old laptop. You can watch whatever you want on there. You can even play video games on your Playstation or XBox if it has an HDMI port.
hedora 9 hours ago|
Show me an example of this monitor. Table stakes to compete with a midrange TV:

- >= 85"

- VESA mount

- 4K @ 120Hz (or better)

- < $2K

- "infinite" contrast ratio

phyzix5761 9 hours ago||
Not sure where you're getting those requirements. OP said 60-80 inches, 4k with at least 60hz, and they said "I don’t mind paying a premium". They also never mentioned a VESA mount or "infinite" contrast ratio.

There are lots of monitors that fit OP's description.

hedora 8 hours ago||
There are a dozen TVs at any decent big box store that meet those specs, and roughly zero monitors, even if you look online.

Seriously: Name one counterexample.

pmlnr 5 hours ago|||
Here's a 75" monitor after 1 single search: https://www.dell.com/en-gb/shop/monitors/apd/dell-pro-p-75-4...

Yes, it's only 60Hz, but again, 1 search.

phyzix5761 3 hours ago|||
LG 65EP5Q
beej71 17 hours ago||
I don't know how true it still is, but dumb TVs have traditionally been marketed as "commercial displays". You'll pay more and have to bring your own media, of course.
HelloUsername 17 hours ago|
> commercial displays

These are generally meant to display (static) advertisement media, you'll have a false experience watching movies or playing games on them.

pdimitar 17 hours ago||
What is "a false experience"?
jaggederest 17 hours ago||
I believe those displays intended for static advertising etc are not set up for good refresh rate or cinema viewing, so they'll have very poor e.g. ghosting during action sequences, low contrast ratios, a lot like a LCD TV from the early 2000s.
pdimitar 17 hours ago||
Ah, I see. I saw some do that in front of fashion shops or jewelries, yep.
albert_e 4 hours ago||
Curious -- Does Samsung smart TV (circa 2019) allow us to root? Where can I find the community and tools around Samsung devices.
krb5 3 hours ago||
LineageOS TV is pretty good, just hook it into a non smart TV with HDMI CEC
nvme0n1p1 18 hours ago||
- Buy any TV you want

- Don't connect it to the network

DiabloD3 18 hours ago||
Doesn't work, all the spyware modules connect to open Wifi of neighbors, and soon, LTE.
nvme0n1p1 17 hours ago||
This is repeated every time this topic comes up, but so far it's just a conspiracy theory. An urban legend. An old wives' tale. Are there any documented cases of this happening?
hedora 9 hours ago|||
Some do this (Samsung), but the more common tactic is to throw constant nags up if the telemetry is not being sent to the manufacturer.

I did my research and bought one that does not do this (2025 TCL), but, if it turned out that it did, I'd have shamelessly returned it. I'd also have issued a chargeback if the store gave me any crap.

Even with all that, if you install firmware updates over the network, then disconnect WiFi, the TV becomes unusable until you factory reset it. (I did this because its EDID is corrupted, and I have to override it with a linux cmdline. The update did not help.)

matltc 15 hours ago||||
Agree that it should be observed before assumed. Would a software-defined radio and a packet capturing mechanism be sufficient?
OroPla 17 hours ago||||
With TV makers having recently destroyed trust and there not being a good way for consumers to force trust it makes little difference whether they are doing it or not.

If you can't tell whether your disconnected TV is spying on you but you know that you cannot trust it, it's better to treat it as compromised.

smallpipe 17 hours ago||||
Amazon Sidewalk is a real life product that offers this over bluetooth
nvme0n1p1 17 hours ago||
Just because something exists as a product, doesn't mean it exists inside your TV.
alserio 17 hours ago|||
probably, but I'll let gp answer. But I want guarantees that they don't do that, until them I'll consider the fact that if they can and it's profitable they will do it
nvme0n1p1 17 hours ago||
If you want a guarantee, that's a conservative threat model and a fair position. What's not fair is GP saying "doesn't work, all the TVs do XYZ", when not a single TV in the real world has ever actually done XYZ.
alserio 17 hours ago||
Ultimately I'll need to find data to settle how paranoid I might be. I'm still leaning on not enough. But isn't it also not fair to claim not a single tv has done it? Proving an universal is not easy for gp but the inverse of forall is not a not exists. And I know the world of middle management profit optimization.
nvme0n1p1 16 hours ago||
I indeed cannot prove it. I also can't universally prove that wombats don't have telekinesis. But the preponderance of the evidence points to neither being true.

I know there are lots of advocacy groups and youtube channels that are testing TV models and would LOVE to be the first to break this story and publicly shame Samsung or whoever. But it simply hasn't happened.

autoexec 12 hours ago|||
Some TVs will refuse to work if you don't create an account and connect them to internet. They won't usually advertise this. You may have to repeatedly return those TVs as defective as you find them.
rationalist 12 hours ago|||
Better hope that no guest connects the TV to their phone hotspot to watch their Netflix like one user in a previous post reported happened to them.
smallnix 18 hours ago||
Until we learn they Bluetooth beacon and do mesh to find some Internet connected LG fridge.
advael 16 hours ago||
Huge fan of "never give it wifi, hook it up to a little linux box, remote control it via input leap" myself
koziserek 13 hours ago|
Not input-leap, nowadays you'd use lan-mouse (wayland!) or, i was as much surprised as anybody, kde connect
advael 13 hours ago||
I mean I'm still on cinnamon and thus X11 and thus input-leap, but good to know what the wayland stack is like
giancarlostoro 18 hours ago||
I just dont connect mine to the internet, hook up an Apple TV to it.
pseudosavant 12 hours ago||
Roku TVs are really easy to turn into dumb TVs. Don’t connect the WiFi, and set it to always turn onto the HMDI input your PC/device is connected to. No tracking, ads, or extra steps.
welzel 8 hours ago||
Buy any TV you like, never connect it to the internet.

Get a cheap open source media box and attach it to the TV.

electroweak 11 hours ago|
An interesting question is why aren't there companies in the same vein as AMG was for Mercedes, that buy the product, modify and resell them? In this case, buy the factory LG and using expertise, lobotomize it and resell it people here? If this post shows the demand the where is the supply?

It doesn't seem that it's a DCMA limitation, yet at least. Would it fall under "right to repair"?

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