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Posted by misswaterfairy 1 day ago

OccupySaaS(occupysaas.com)
516 points | 313 commentspage 6
neals 1 day ago|
Both of these projects are not about the cost or the code. No wonder they go laid off.
time0ut 22 hours ago||
I think this is basically a LARP. The idea is interesting though.
Rapzid 1 day ago||
Yeah that's gonna pay the mortgage, put food on the table, and cover the insurance premiums LOL.
dgently7 1 day ago||
no opinion of if this is a good idea or not or the overall statement of the thing... but isn't support a big part of what these saas companies are really providing... its not just salesforce, its salesforce and customer success teams and 24/7 support etc.

i suppose this could provide that also (dont see that they want to) but then its just back to vendor a vs vendor b and vendor a in this case has a lot of history and inertia with the companies these guys would need to switch.

maybe that wouldnt be a big deal longer term, but near term i think we are probably still in a "nobody gets fired for buying ibm" phase at the moment.

ya you could save a ton on that salesforce contract and sticking it to them might feel great, but the project to migrate and then self support this with your own employees is non-trivial and would be a pretty monumental risk to take. like you might as well just internally vibe code a new solution that is perfectly tailored to your biz vs getting a knock off vibe coded version of a saas thing that you only actually use 20% of.

weird-eye-issue 1 day ago|
I never use customer support for these types of things unless there is a literal bug or downtime

I don't want to pay for customer support that other incompetent users rely on to function

dgently7 1 day ago||
i think that you are kinda making my point. you dont go to your enterprise support person for like end user doesn't know what button to press support, you go to them because literal bug or downtime is hurting your biz somehow and this saas is critical to your operations and because its a critical service for your biz you want that extra level of support. (at least i think thats how the big corp logic goes)
MisterMunchkin 1 day ago||
Does it count as clean room if you copy your employer’s product?
Sydrik 1 day ago||
You may begin with vengeance but I hope vengeance won't be your permanent fuel. It tends to lead with clouded and personal decisions, emotionally charged responses (like the very website copywriting itself) and... well, I have my fair share of grievances and a significant boost of confidence is to persevere in what is right against the wrong that I felt were done to me... but if I make my grievances my customers and supporters' problem, I am dragging them into my cesspool, spreading the negativity and it simply does not create an environment and spirit of productivity..
vazark 1 day ago||
This is silly. Unlike Adobe, the reason these SaaS exist is having someone else to guarantee safety and uptime of non-business related functions. The problem with self hosting is we're now responsible for these software as well. It can for large companies but for most SMEs its simpler to pay and forget
0c3ca83 1 day ago||
The irony of using AI for this...
hexapus 1 day ago||
Turnabout is fair play. Setting aside the overall ethical shitshow that AI presents, I don't really have much objection to turning their own tech against them.

LLMs are an incredible technology, and I would have loved to see them developed organically over time with sensible regulation and strong ethics....it would have taken many more years, but it also wouldn't have stolen the sum of human creativity, generated a hype bubble that threatens the global economy, wrecked the consumer hardware market, or been deployed in the most shortsighted, environmentally destructive ways imagineable.

But that's not what we got, so evoking the same fear and uncertainty that we must face in those who lead global megacorps is not out of bounds, as far as I'm concerned.

komali2 1 day ago||
I've been threading the needle between my AI loving techbro indiehacker friends and my AI hating artist and FOSS geek lefty friends for the last year now and the dogmatism has been interesting. The extreme of it for AI lovers I don't really get in my friend group since I think it manifests mostly in AI psychosis meltdowns by tech CEOs like with the Proton Mail guy, or religious worship by the anyone with one degree of separation or less from anyone on the the AI doom cult temple sex priestess gang bang Sankey diagram.

For the AI haters the dogmatism turns AI usage basically into a moral contagion. I saw similar with the cancellation of Framework: https://blog.calebjay.com/posts/moral-contagion/#where-i-pus...

To them, even a small use of LLMs is a moral endorsement and material contribution to the pillaging of natural resources by data centers, the racial profiling and inherent biases baked into LLM output by their training corpus and prejudices of corporate leaders, the theft of artists, writers, and FOSS contributors for training data, and even could cause irreparable brain damage (they inevitably have studies to link to, on LLM usage reducing problem solving abilities or creativity). Also LLMs still can't write good code, to these people.

I'm having a hard time demonstrating the enormous activist potential these tools present, especially in their current token-subsidized form (Claude max still is a hilariously obviously unprofitable endeavor). IMO turning these tokens into liberationist software (OP project and similar) is basically a form of wealth redistribution. Moving beyond clean room software implementation, once you get to the possibly or frankly illegal things you can do with LLMs, their activist potentials seem pretty obvious to me. Cracking and reverse engineering proprietary software, developing hacks against The System (what if we leveraged LLMs to take out Russian datacenters that flood the internet with ultra right wing propaganda? Or... Industrial sabotage <.<), automating social media content in the same way the far right is doing (or the opposite - responding instantly to all far right fake news, solving the "it's easier to create it than debunk it" problem), creating agitprop, or hell creating floods of disinformation. I mean depending on someone's value system in terms of ideologically valid strategy, there's a lot of possibilities unlocked by LLMs!

Personally I'm interested in anything that simply takes the winds of profit out of the sails of as many things as possible, which is why I like projects like this one and why I spun up a similar one a few weeks back: https://github.com/508-dev/genairosity Though I'm looking at smaller niche things like, milk collection software or whatever.

0c3ca83 1 day ago|||
> I'm having a hard time demonstrating the enormous activist potential these tools present

The problem isn't that they don't have potential, but that the downside isn't worth it.

You're trying to convince people that asbestos has great potential as a building material. You're saying it does an amazing job of fireproofing, and don't worry your pretty little head about cancer.

Asbestos is everywhere in older buildings because it was excellent fireproofing. We're still dealing with the consequences.

komali2 1 day ago||
> but that the downside isn't worth it.

This is also my argument against militarization and armed revolution as a strategy of establishing anarchist or communist society. The downsides are illustrated and argued against in "The Anarchist Cookbook," a rewrite of the original by Keith McHenry. So, I'm interested in what you think the downsides may be here, since I'm not immediately able to think of any - at least not any caused by me as an individual activist.

It does seem that AI was used effectively recently in the defeat of Bolsanaro's son in Brazil, which I use as evidence for. I'm at this moment looking more into that when I really should be working, heh. Thanks to user solyin, sibling to you.

0c3ca83 1 day ago||
Well, we can start by pointing out that every widely available model is either directly funds or bolsters authoritarians of the worst kind.

Then we can move to the damage it does to your mental abilities.

We can continue to the ongoing effect on society, the damage to the environment, and so on.

And we can finish with extrapolating on the abilities of the models, and the dystopia that having full AGI would be. Especially if that AGI is built by the current leaders.

I think you're aware of the downsides, but you don't want to put down your precious.

solyin 1 day ago|||
Look up the translated Lula Army Manual for inspiration. They're all in on AI and they won their election!
avaer 1 day ago||
The irony is worn on the sleeve, so it's not really ironic. It might be ironic for the target companies if OccupySaaS works.
capitanazo77 1 day ago||
Teenager mentality. “Just to piss off dad” Grow up
hashmap 1 day ago|
Infantilizing protest is a wormy pastime.
stefap2 20 hours ago|
occupysaas.com - this was blocked by my xfinity provider as potentially contains dangerous content
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