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Posted by chalmovsky 6 hours ago

WTF Ubuntu?(chalmovsky.com)
1042 points | 514 commentspage 3
rajay99 2 hours ago|
This is the straw that broke the camel's back. I am moving back to Debian stable now. Having NVIDIA drivers and Wlan drivers back in 2014 was great, but this is not acceptable.
metafunctor 2 hours ago||
I'm switching to Debian for my companies and personal projects.

For 15 years or so, I used and recommended Ubuntu. But this is unacceptable and I won't be looking back.

InsidiousWombat 5 hours ago||
Worth noting that RHEL, the Linux version Red Had sells licenses/paid support for, also didn't update it for weeks
stroebs 6 hours ago||
I've switched my default to AlmaLinux. Was a fan of Ubuntu since 8.04 (Hardy Heron) but stopped since Canonical pushed hard on Ubuntu Pro.
theandrewbailey 6 hours ago||
I don't like ads, and I didn't like logging into SSH and seeing a nag to update to Ubuntu Pro because I had the balls to keep running 20.04 in 2023. I've seen this before on previous releases (and know how to remove the message), but seeing it again was the straw the broke the camel's back.
neutronicus 5 hours ago||
It’s basically Windows at that point!
mshroyer 2 hours ago||
AlmaLinux is "boring" in the best possible way, and it works really well in WSL too. Their extended support for x86-64 v2 has also been useful on one my old computers.
curt15 6 hours ago||
Did Ubuntu Pro customers get the fix?
gvurrdon 6 hours ago||
I have one Ubuntu Pro server and it has not received the fix yet. Fedora would have been preferable but that is "not supported" and I had to have Ubuntu.
IlikeMadison 3 hours ago||
RedHat didn't patch anything neither, it doesn't matter.
gvurrdon 1 hour ago||
It does matter when it comes to which OS I would prefer running.
akoboldfrying 5 hours ago|||
I think this is the important question. To everyone who is complaining while using Ubuntu for free: People whose software you use for free don't owe you anything.
cortesoft 4 hours ago|||
Ok, but in this case it also isn’t available to people who pay.
cmcaleer 5 hours ago||||
Apparently they don’t owe anything to Ubuntu Pro subscribers too.
BeetleB 5 hours ago|||
Of course they don't owe them anything. Ubuntu's reputation is built primarily on people who use it (or used to) for free. They are/were Ubuntu's advocates and what made it popular.

So just as they made it popular, they can make it unpopular. People like me will simply post on our blogs and social media that they should not install Ubuntu. A typical Ubuntu user is not that high on the tech scale, and they listen to people like me for suggestions on which distro.

Cut the pipeline that feeds into it.

nikanj 5 hours ago||
Nope
thatonehack 4 hours ago||
I’ve always hated Ubuntu. I simply don’t understand the pitch as to why someone would use Ubuntu over just good ol fashion Debian. Better yet: FreeBSD.
Aldipower 2 hours ago||
Calm down, man. I think Ubuntu is doing o.k. here. What is pretty bad that people cannot read advisories anymore and fix there machines, instead crying for their mama (in this case Ubuntu).

Use this firewall rule and you are fine - it blocks the tcp options negoation - and things remain working of course: ` nft add table ip cve_2026_98432 nft add chain ip cve_2026_98432 pre '{ type filter hook prerouting priority -300; }' nft add rule ip cve_2026_98432 pre meta l4proto tcp ip hdrlength gt 5 counter drop `

prmph 5 hours ago||
I moved over to Debian and haven't looked back, years ago. Why anyone would prefer Ubuntu over Debian, which is a purer, higher quality, more mature distro, is beyond me.
newsoftheday 5 hours ago|
> Why anyone would prefer Ubuntu over Debian, which is a purer, higher quality, more mature distro, is beyond me.

For me, I view Ubuntu as the "higher quality, more mature distro" which I value over "purity".

prmph 4 hours ago|||
Your view does not seem to match reality, as shown by this story.

There is a reason I moved to Debian; it is not like I just like the sound of it better.

newsoftheday 4 hours ago||
My opinion of the story is that it is over hyped, with my hunch being it's possibly to throw free advertising towards Anthropic, though I have no proof of that, just my personal intuition based on the handwavyness of the story.

My view is based on having used Ubuntu since 2006, Kubuntu since 2023 or so and a serious stint on Debian until they put out a patch via regular updates that bricked my machine's wifi (all of them). So my view is based on real world experience and your comment "Your view does not seem to match reality" doesn't seem to take my experience with Ubuntu and Debian into account.

cortesoft 4 hours ago|||
You can argue about quality I guess, but how would Ubuntu be ‘more mature’ than Debian?
newsoftheday 4 hours ago||
Ubuntu (and Kubuntu) have never bricked all of machines after an update, Debian did, in recent years at that. So I will argue quality in favor of Ubuntu (and Kubuntu).
jjcm 1 hour ago||
A hot take - agents with root access dynamically updating your system have crossed over the threshold of being more secure than not using them.

I still haven't done this for my servers with SOC2 compliance (for obvious reasons), but I've moved over my personal project servers to this pattern. They all run ubuntu and this CVE was fixed within 1hr of my agent seeing chatter on twitter about it.

Still in the testing phase of this pattern, but while I initially thought it'd be a terrible idea[1], I'm coming around to it more and more with the amount of major CVEs hitting.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50221604

saidnooneever 1 hour ago|
maybe once it comes out you will need to pay them to get the patch xD

I suppose this kind of stuff is why you will find some places who roll Debian in prod but almost never find Ubuntu?

on laptops etc. its less impwct because (i think) most people are sensible enough not to have all kinds of listeners open all the time?/(right guys??? ...RIGHT GUYS???)

dont forget it can also be used as LPE if its a local host listener. and LLMs can bake u a nice exploit for it too.

Go Debian or perhaps consider freeBSD or OpenBSD if your workloads permit. they are more feasible, and sensible by the day, not just trying to poop on Linux, its simply much more targeted for now, and because it moves faster, and thus is bigger, it will have more holes.

a lot of ball dropping all around lately in lots of incidents and CVE. stay safe out there!

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