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Posted by chalmovsky 11 hours ago

WTF Ubuntu?(chalmovsky.com)
1320 points | 583 commentspage 9
Toynbeeidea 9 hours ago|
Reminder that Ubuntu used to bundle spyware - I dropped it at that point and never looked back, trust broken.

https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do

hackersnooze1 10 hours ago||
Ubuntu seems like it hasn’t been in very good hands for quite a while now
wltr 8 hours ago||
I genuinely want to understand why people use Ubuntu, and especially for servers. I’m not trolling or whatever the proper word for it. It’s not sarcasm either. I must be missing something, I guess. What is the reason? Especially if you’re not paying for it. But if you’re paying for it, I’m still curious.
magarnicle 4 hours ago||
It was like that when I got here. The servers at my work were all Ubuntu, so that's what I keep using. And if the servers are Ubuntu, I'll use that on my machine too.
IlikeMadison 8 hours ago||
the best answer to this is... why not?
rewgs 9 hours ago||
Given that Ubuntu is downstream from Debian, I can't think of a single good reason why Ubuntu wouldn't just release Debian's patch.
nekusar 9 hours ago||
From the same company that demands high school transcripts and club affiliations for engineers 20+ years out of high school.

Creepy as hell company. Had a good free Linux distro, but it's not that good anymore. It's coasting on inertia these days.

anthk 9 hours ago||
OpenBSD got a recent GeFS (COW FS, but far lighter than BTRFS and not to mention ZFS) update, I wish 8.1 or 8.2 had it stabilized, because the issues with FFSv2 would end in the spot and maybe even steal some server machines to GNU/Linux.
mring33621 10 hours ago||
Yes, this is a fuckup by Canonical

But it doesn't sound too hard to backport a patch from Debian to Ubuntu yourself.

So if it's a critical security concern to your company, open your laptop and get to work.

bryan_w 10 hours ago||
There seems to be something off about this post. One hour in and hundreds of comments.

Either this was used to pop something big, or this is a jia tan situation going down.

I thought there was a flamebait automation that was prevent this sort of velocity (unless overridden)

satisfiedcustom 9 hours ago|
or maybe, just maybe, entertain for a second that upstream (linux kernel) shipped the original patch commit on October 1st with rollout to mainline on October 9th and disclosure on October 15th.

People with affected systems have been waiting ever since for canonical to ship ... something, anything. Or maybe communicate the blockers. Crickets, though.

It gets all the more egregious if you're a paying customer for Ubuntu Pro (which thank god, our company is not).

It is absolutely taking the proberbial piss when you put it into context of their bold shiny new ambitions posted on September 23rd on their official blog (https://canonical.com/blog/accelerating-delivery-of-cve-fixe...) ... failing every single listed requirement in that announcement, now 14+ days, after initial CVE disclosure.

No need for a tin-foil hat here at all. Ubuntu has a large installbase. Part of which hosts servers. And if I had to take a wild guess that userbase is about to shrink dramatically going forward.

jeroenhd 8 hours ago||
People panicked about the issue can either apply a quick IPTables mitigation or install the kernel Ubuntu hasn't released to production yet. It's annoying that Canonical is late, but it's not the end of the world either.

Unlike Arch or even Debian, Canonical has dozens of kernels to test and verify. The downside of supporting your software for ten years across multiple chipsets and even offering in-between kernel updates is that you need to test and maintain a shitload of kernels. Testing all of those takes time.

I hope they do a write-up about what went wrong here but all the big companies were weeks late to the party. My guess is that some of the patches were causing issues when backported, or Red Hat would've released updates much sooner as well.

ktm5j 11 hours ago||
I mean.. how many people are using multipath on Ubuntu? This is a big issue for datacenter systems that are using fancy networking features that Ubuntu users probably aren't.
dolmen 10 hours ago|
Go programs listening on TCP have multipath enabled.
ktm5j 9 hours ago||
So they do. Also they mention in the golang-announce bulletin that MPTCP might not even be required for exploitation, it's just that the PoC requires MPTCP.
snizovtsev 8 hours ago||
The patch itself isn't related to MPTCP, but the bug is hard to exploit. AFAIK, Anthropic is the only ones who claimed exploitation using their unlimited frontier models without safety restrictions. So non-MPTCP configurations may also be vulnerable, but exploiting them could require even more resources. I've tried to trigger KASAN using Qwen 3.8 27B @ local RTX3090 - no success after 96 hours.
shevy-java 10 hours ago|
> distros run by volunteers (Debian, Arch, Alpine...) hve shipped the fix.

Well - Ubuntu sold out to marketing rather than engineering.

Happened to Google too. Compare Google Search to 10 or 15 years ago. Totally useless nowadays.

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