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Posted by xoobdev 4 hours ago

US boy names that became girl names and vice versa(namedaisy.com)
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cortesoft 3 hours ago|
I feel like a lot of these can be tied to one famous person with the name causing the gender to flip.
goda90 2 hours ago||
A name I was surprised by was someone I know naming their daughter Miles/Myles, which is such a male name in my mind. It might even be based on the Latin word for soldier. It's not one I've seen used for a girl anywhere else, yet.
Terr_ 2 hours ago|
Edited slightly for series spoilers:

> "Well, I wish you every joy," Miles went on [...] He managed a wink. "Name the first one after me, eh?"

> [She] grinned. "I'm not sure she'd appreciate that. Milesanna? Milesia?"

> "Milesia sounds like a disease," Miles admitted, taken aback. "In that case, don't. I wouldn't want her to grow up hating me in absentia."

-- Memory (1996) by Lois McMaster Bujold

In the series, Miles having a name meaning "soldier" is, er, persistently thematically significant.

YeGoblynQueenne 1 hour ago||
Wow. Kind of blast from the past. I haven't read that btw, how good is it?
Terr_ 32 minutes ago||
I'm obviously a biased source, but I metaphorically keep the Vorkosigan books [0] in a similar place with (the more-famous) Discworld series by Terry Pratchett. Fun reads to return to that I find very quotable.

Interestingly, the first few books are about Miles' parents, but it's neat to see what the most popular character does/doesn't inherit.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorkosigan_Saga

jtommy14 2 hours ago||
I've noticed more girls are being named Parker these days. My 1yo son is named Parker. He's holding the line.
nkrisc 2 hours ago||
The trend of surnames as given names is stranger to me than traditional gender reversal of names.
triceratops 1 hour ago|||
They go hand-in-hand. Surnames aren't gendered. Names that reverse gender are often surnames used as given names.

"John" or "Matthew" are probably never going to become female. Nor will "Elizabeth" or "Katherine" become male.

"Spencer" was male when Spencer Tracy was a big name. Today it could go either way. As a family name it relates to the profession of a steward.

TheOtherHobbes 40 minutes ago|||
Surnames are gendered in some languages, typically when they're defined as gendered adjectives.

In Polish '...ski' is masculine and '...ska' is feminine. The prefix stays the same, so a brother and sister have slightly different surnames. (Like 'Wolski' vs 'Wolska.')

In the US some immigrants forgot this, so you get American women with a '...ski' surname.

nkrisc 1 minute ago|||
I don’t think it’s only that, but in many Western European societies (and those derived thereof) it would have been unusual to have members of a family with surnames spelled differently, even if only the suffix.

So the whole family may just have taken the male head of house’s surname to avoid problems, or even been simply assigned his surname by immigration officials.

Many a name were changed at Ellis Island, for example.

triceratops 35 minutes ago||||
Good point. I think Russian surnames are the same right? (Ivanov/Ivanova etc.)

Is it common in these cultures to use surnames as given names?

Detrytus 28 minutes ago|||
They did not necessarily forget the rule, it’s just inconvenience, especially when dealing with official business, when you have to explain why (for example) your kid’s last name is slightly different than yours.
frankus 1 hour ago|||
A surname ending in “son” could be seen as at least a little bit gendered.
triceratops 1 hour ago||
You'd think so, but Allison is firmly in the girls camp today, at least in the US (Liverpool FC's male goalkeeper Alisson Becker is Brazilian). Madison is also more associated with girls.
trelane 1 hour ago||||
Surnames or occupations (Tanner, Cooper, etc)
kleiba2 34 minutes ago||
You never know, OP's son might one day work as a valet.
eclipticplane 1 hour ago|||
s/Never trust a man with two first names/Never trust a man with two last names/.
UncleSlacky 1 hour ago|||
He can't lose!
nobody9999 1 hour ago||
>I've noticed more girls are being named Parker these days. My 1yo son is named Parker. He's holding the line.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was related to the character[0] portrayed by Beth Riesgraf[2] on Leverage[1]

[0] https://leverage.fandom.com/wiki/Parker

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leverage_(American_TV_series)

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beth_Riesgraf

sota_pop 2 hours ago||
Most interesting thing that stands out to me is the number of names that appear to be what I would consider an abbreviation of a more traditional name.

e.g. “Pat” is cited, but doesn’t specify whether that refers to Patricia or Patrick.

twoodfin 2 hours ago||
These are presumably from Social Security registrations, so reflecting official given names.

Another interesting analysis would be the movement back and forth between full names and their associated common diminutives.

jmaw 1 hour ago||
Yes, the data comes from the US Social Security Administration from 1936–2025

Source: The expandable "How we measured it" section at the bottom of the page

kibwen 2 hours ago||
Common nicknames eventually just become given names on their own, like "Jack" or "John" or "Alex".
rolandog 2 hours ago||
I was very much shocked to see a feminine version of my name used IIRC on Dead Or Alive 4 (DOA4), not knowing the backstory: I think it was a character called Leon was promising to avenge his dead girlfriend, Rolande.

I've wondered if the women that have carried the name have liked it? In my mind, it's always sounded very blunt so as to be feminine, but I recognize I'm heavily biased when it comes to my own name.

childev 2 hours ago||
Interesting data. Nightmare color scale for the colorblind.
poncho_romero 1 hour ago||
Yeah I can't read the charts at all.
xnx 2 hours ago||
Came here to say the same. Anyone doing data visualization should think long and hard before using something beside a line or bar chart. Almost everything else is worse in multiple ways.
Danox 2 hours ago||
Most of the names that flip over seem to be names associated with the gentry class, many of the names seem to be neutral, soft very inoffensive names.
axus 2 hours ago||
Most surprising was "Mario" becoming shared. "Maria/Mario" seemed inherently gendered, based on the last letter.
brewmarche 1 hour ago||
Interestingly if I remember correctly they have different origins, Maria is a biblical name, while Mario comes from Latin (which can decline Marius to Maria, but that’s a different word)
bhouston 2 hours ago||
I think it says "Marlo"? Not "Mario". L, not I.
pessimizer 15 minutes ago|||
And Marlo Thomas was That Girl.
fsckboy 2 hours ago|||
Marlo/Marla is also inherently gendered

for people from languages that mark gender with an ending (romance languages for instance), putting the "wrong" ending something like a noun would sound odd or change the meaning

ethagnawl 1 hour ago||
A wonderful example of how gender is a social construct.
YeGoblynQueenne 1 hour ago|
In English, maybe. Several other languages have gendered nouns, so names are not interchangeable. For example "Ιωάννης" in Greek is the male form of "John" given exclusively to male children, whereas "Ιωάννα" is the female form given exclusively to female children. No exceptions. AFAIU if a person wished to change their name from "Ιωάννης" to "Ιωάννα" they would have to go to court and change their birth gender also.
JumpCrisscross 48 minutes ago||
Legal systems and language are a social construct. Your example doesn’t really disprove the assertion. (I’m not sure how these data promote the hypothesis either.)
bilsbie 2 hours ago|
I’d be curious if men with female names get rejected out of a lot of job interviews since the employer may have thought they chose a female for DEI and then a man shows up?

Or maybe it’s a good way to get your foot in the door in todays job market.

lkramer 2 hours ago|
Probably more likely that they don't get the interview because the person reviewing their CV assumed they were a woman...
switchbak 1 hour ago||
Ha, you had me at "person". As if people review resumes anymore!
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