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Posted by rbanffy 5 days ago

Microsoft fixes a Windows 11 annoyance as PC revenue declines(arstechnica.com)
107 points | 254 commentspage 3
josteink 4 days ago|
I don’t know what could drive PC sales in this age.

Old machines from the last 10 years are still capable of all normal daily tasks, even development tasks. This has the 95% covered through existing or cheap second hand machines.

The only new use-case is local AI, which for most people is simply out of price range right now with the current GPU and RAM prices. There’s some people who’ll want this, but they are a minority. Not enough to drive sales at scale.

So whatever remains as a segment is business - which in these cost-aware times are mostly doing like the other 95% and only buy new machines if needed to cover new hires.

4k93n2 4 days ago|
i recently dusted off an old desktop that i hadnt used in a really long time. the GPU was a 1070 from 2016 i think and it wasnt even that high end when i bought it but it works surprisingly well. although im only using a 4b qwen model and only asking it very basic questions but its still better than nothing and it means i only need to switch a cloud model when i need to do something more complex. that GPU is going for 100-150 these days as well and im sure there are better options that are still cheap enough
phyzix5761 4 days ago||
Remember when Windows 10 was supposed to be the last Windows version?
somat 1 day ago|
I even half believed them, old stable systems tend to suffer from version stagnation, where the major version stops moving. Not that that is a bad thing, it is just a sign that your software is mature, it no longer needs a major version jump. but having a vestigial number makes some people nervous and for commercial software hurts sales so they find different ways to change it.

Apple stuck at 10 for a long time. solution: drop the major

Linux stuck at 2. solution: randomly change major

smukherjee19 4 days ago||
Glad to see all the bad karma Microsoft accumulated for their several anti-consumer and user-unfriendly practices coming back to bite them where it hurts the most: declining revenue.
waltbosz 4 days ago||
You can shift+right-click to get the old right click context menu.
eviks 4 days ago||
What do you need to click to edit it?
waltbosz 4 days ago||
I don't know that part. I think the context menu is configured in the Registry, and there may be apps for editing those values.
roody15 4 days ago||
They need to fix a lot more than just this. Fundamentally, I am not sure they can make meaningful changes.

Users do not want forced cloud integration and forced “features” added that are clearly designed to maximize connection to Microsoft cloud services.

They may be able to allow more customizations of the UI and back off to some degree but as far as their business model I don’t think they can provide an OS like many users want.

statenjason 4 days ago||
Installed Windows 11 on a VM over the weekend for running a specific program. The lengthy multi-reboot updates are just like I remember from Vista. Except now they show advertisements. Grateful 2008 was Year of the Linux Desktop for me.
rf15 4 days ago||
Sometimes I do wonder why it's hard to see that you shouldn't invest in AI, let Sam Altman hoover up all compute hardware and then make a surprise pikachu when hardware sales of your user base decline. Same for Google: "what, if I stop people from going to websites because I let a bot summarise what they're looking for, I get less money from website visits?"

At this rate (I know I keep beating that drum), I think we cannot have AI: it is too self-defeating from a business pov.

dubeyaayush07 4 days ago||
It's not like Google had a choice. Asking AI is superior to browsing links in 90% of use cases, and they would have been disrupted otherwise.
catlikesshrimp 4 days ago|||
Browsing a curated list of the worst SEO generated spam, sure. Anything is better. Wait for SEO advertising to come to AI summary.
simulator5g 4 days ago|||
It's already here, ask AI for a product recommendation and it will recommend whichever company has the highest Reddit astroturfing budget.
dubeyaayush07 4 days ago|||
Yeah but there is more competition in that space which might delay/slowdown the inevitable enshitification
tliltocatl 3 days ago|||
Google search became considerably worse around 2019 when they started using LLMs for indexing, which make it ignore keywords it deemed "irrelevant".
kristianp 4 days ago||
Just a clarification, Google's search revenue actually went up in their latest quarterly reporting. It just didn't go up as far as analysts were predicting.
rf15 4 days ago||
Yes, but the logical ouroboros should be evident:

- make money from ad views

- make people place ads on many websites, so a lot of ads can be shown

- use made money to build AI summary

- AI summary prevents people from visiting many websites

esFran 4 days ago||
I will be eternally grateful to Windows 11 and its TPM 2.0 requirement, and to Windows 10 for its senseless end of updates.

ETERNALLY, you read that right. Because thanks to that, I finally dared to try Linux, openSUSE, Doom Emacs and KDE, and I'm IN LOVE with my PC all over again.

Thank you so much, Microsoft!!!

conception 4 days ago||
Can they fix that it runs like trash on 16gb of ram? That’d be cool.
wolvoleo 4 days ago|
They actually are: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2026/11/03/raisi...

Not that Microsoft isn't a terrible company IMO but they also finally see the need to optimise due to the ram crisis.

TonyStr 4 days ago|||
Watch what they do, not what they say. My right-click menu still takes 2000ms to open, the Weather app idles at over 700MB ram, teams randomly heats up my CPU and causes my laptop to sound like a jet engine until i close it, opening start menu still causes the PC to lag. Do not give them any credit for posting Copilot-generated press posts, before you see the changes yourself.

Try an OS that's designed for people rather than for tracking, and you'll be amazed at how fast an OS can be.

wolvoleo 4 days ago||
Oh I'm not taking this for granted, but they are just getting started of course. And don't forget, the business market is a huge influence on Microsoft. They are also looking to save significantly on hardware costs and are pushing for real improvements here too. They are spending more on AI services that MS is also trying to sell, and hardware costs are going up a lot.

And yes I use FOSS privately. I just have one big gaming PC with windows because I love VR and VR on Linux is not ready for primetime.

TonyStr 4 days ago||
Oh that's unfortunate to hear about VR - I haven't tried. I would think VR on Linux was good now with the Steam Frame from Valve being released.
wolvoleo 3 days ago||
It's not really, and I don't really run SteamVR that much anyway. I mainly use meta's Airlink or virtual desktop for streaming. The Steam Frame itself is also still really hit and miss, many accepted features on Windows are considered "not important" by Valve and they may get to it at some point. There's a lot of catching up going on.

For me it's not worth the trouble. My game PC is for 2 things only: Gaming and 3D design and for those I am ok with just using windows.

I'm not a big fan of Steam anyway, I'm more of a GOG user. I will just buy on Steam if I can't find something on GOG.

nikanj 4 days ago|||
*They see the need to put optimization to the marketing copy. No need to actually do anything, just say the new release is 42% more efficient
orliesaurus 4 days ago|
I wonder if MacOS is also going down the drain - obviously not as fast as Windows - but I believe it doesn't feel as smooth - it feels always more bloated with every updates and I find myself having to install more and more custom little tools for everything:

- Cleaning my drive from unwanted files → One app

- Organizing files based on type → another app

- A good voice-to-text → another app

- A better launcher → another app

- An incredible terminal → another app

I mean is this the way it's supposed to be? Wasn't the whole point - unwrap the macbook, load up Mac OS and LFG?

jlarocco 4 days ago||
I don't wonder. I used it for years, and there's no doubt it was getting worse.

At this point both Windows and OSX are rent seeking, squeezing as much money as they can out of their users.

jimmyjazz14 4 days ago|||
yes and the nonstop notification popups for some iCloud nonsense really drive me crazy.
VladVladikoff 4 days ago|||
Please tell of of this better launcher? Spotlight is so bad these days. I used to be able to pull up the calculator with cmd+space..ca[enter] but lately it grabs some other completely ridiculous thing like some random file that throws an error instead. Yeah Apple that’s what I wanted, I wanted to open the Caltable.inf file, or worse if parallels is open it picks the windows calculator first before the macOS calculator? Wtf!
jedbrooke 4 days ago|||
I’ve been using Raycast[0] to replace spotlight. Spotlight index kept randomly losing my /Applications dir, and like 90% of what I use spotlight for is Cmd + space > type in the name of the app I want to switch to/open. So it was a constant annoyance.

They have some AI stuff that they try to push on you during the install, but it can all be disabled so day to day it doesn’t bother you.

0: https://www.raycast.com/

SyneRyder 4 days ago||||
Probably Alfred? It's been a while since I used a Mac, but back then Alfred was one of the reasons to get a Mac.

https://www.alfredapp.com/

wolvoleo 4 days ago|||
Yeah though spotlight was never meant as a program launcher. KDE has a nice thing that is just that.
simulator5g 4 days ago||
I had to install an app just to get smooth scrolling to work with my mouse. On a Mac! Apple practically invented smooth scrolling! It's like no one gives a shit about user experience anymore.
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