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Posted by ceejayoz 4 hours ago

Google will turn off search for schools that reject AI(www.nytimes.com)
https://archive.ph/RuwsB

https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/educatio...

292 points | 245 commentspage 4
Brian_K_White 2 hours ago|
kagi should swoop in and offer some sort of deal.

Get people used to search without ads or influence or data collection or any incentive other than getting you what you asked for as honestly as possible.

Or maybe more pointedly, get them to even become aware of the difference between home and school, or everyone else's computers and their own.

OroPla 3 hours ago||
What do schools need Google for anyway? Had education deteriorated this much already?
ceejayoz 3 hours ago||
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Classroom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_for_Education

MetalBreaksAndB 1 hour ago|||
Google is a pretty essential part of any assignment where independent research is a component.
goodmythical 1 hour ago||
Yeah, you'd think by 2026 there'd be literally any other way to conduct research via the web.

Maybe even like some kind of aggregator that allows you to combine several other search engines' results.

That'd be really cool if that exi...oh, wait...

jdiff 3 hours ago|||
Images for a slideshow, citations for an essay, research for a project?
antiframe 2 hours ago||
Yes, when I was a student I never touched Google and don't understand why anyone would need it. /s

It's true, I used AltaVista and Yahoo! search because Google didn't exist yet.

tlogan 2 hours ago||
Very interesting approach. Basically, you can no longer use Google Search as a way to discover and learn about a subject the old-school way.

I guess the point here is that Google thinks schools need to start using AI, and that all this "no AI in schools" talk is nonsense.

10111001 2 hours ago||
> Very interesting approach. Basically, you can no longer use Google Search as a way to discover and learn about a subject the old-school way.

If by "interesting" you mean "abusive and coercive."

> I guess the point here is that Google thinks schools need to start using AI, and that all this "no AI in schools" talk is nonsense.

Explain that more please: whose talk is "nonsense"? Google's? Parents'? Schools'?

'Cause it sounds Google is saying this:

> You silly parents and educators, you thought you set educational policy for your students? No, we actually do. Your choices will conform to our business plans of the moment, or we will make your life so painful and difficult that you will "consent" to our demands.

> Did we mention our motto is "don't be evil"? We live our values every day.

swatcoder 2 hours ago|||
> I guess the point here is that Google thinks schools need to start using AI, and that all this "no AI in schools" talk is nonsense.

More generously, it seems like Google just doesn't see a justification for maintaining an AI-free search platform alongside their AI-integrated vision for search.

For a smaller vendor in a competitive market, this decision wouldn't read like coercion. It would just be a roadmap statement that might draw some customers in and drive some towards competitors. You would expect a business to be able to make that kind of decision (a prima facie reasonable one) about how they'll invest in their products and the support infrastructure that surrounds them.

What this story really exposes is how dependent schools have been made on Google specifically and how the idea of independently making choices against their roadmap feels infeasible. It feels like a monopoly to administrators and the public even if it isn't formally marked as such by regulatory agencies.

That itself is worth more people thinking about.

walt_grata 2 hours ago|||
that is an absolutely repugnant take from anyone at Google (I will not attribute this to a legal entity that cannot think, a human being made this call and is accountable for it). They are not educators and should have absolutely zero say in how schools do things.
andrekandre 1 hour ago|||
well, they gotta get those kids hooked on ai while they're young you know
watwut 2 hours ago|||
Google thinks that will be more profitable if they force schools to use AI. They do not think "no AI in schools" talk is nonsense, they think "no AI in schools" is bad for their bottom line, somehow.
miltonlost 2 hours ago|||
Google thinks forcing schools to use AI to fuel search will give them great cash. You have far too kind a view on what Google hopes AI will do to schools and not nearly a cynical economic one.
gmueckl 2 hours ago|||
Of course. They have a bridge^W^WAI to sell to you.

This is attempted coercion, plain and simple.

varjag 2 hours ago||
KPIs have to be met
gmueckl 2 hours ago||
Is it this time of year at Google?
ceejayoz 2 hours ago||
Isn't it always that time of year at a large corp?
throwitaway222 2 hours ago||
I mean technically I didn't even have Google search when I went to school.
Forgeties79 2 hours ago||
There are a lot of things we didn’t have when we were younger that are far more necessary today than they were then.
mono442 1 hour ago||
Blocking ai will only cause the students to get left behind. The ai isn't going away.
pmlnr 1 hour ago|
AI doesn't belong in schools. Schools are there to teach thinking, creativity, innovation. AI is the opposite of these.

It is a tool, it can be used within boundaries, but it has zero place in teaching.

jlev1 3 hours ago||
> If a school has banned A.I., he [Chris Phillips, vice president for education at Google] added, students “will not have access to search, and they’ll see a message from their school that indicates it’s not available.”

So scummy! Make it sound like the school's decision, rather than Google's.

kotaKat 2 hours ago||
That's what every Big Tech company has done when threatened with loss of access to their children: weaponize the children themselves with poor gaslighting to fight the adults so Big Tech gets its way.

Google says it's the big mean school's fault, so the school kids are all gonna band up and try to protest and argue and disrupt because they can't get Google Search.

When Epic didn't get its way... turn the kids against the adults by threatening to take their Fortnite away.

bluefirebrand 3 hours ago||
Sad to see Google's playbook become "be as evil as possible"

I know they removed "don't be evil" a while ago now, but they didn't have to immediately become the exact opposite

demo4567 3 hours ago||
good riddance. it is useless anyways
godshatter 2 hours ago||
Google really is an evil, enshittified company now. I see it every day when I'm on YouTube with an ad-blocker. "Experiencing interruptions?" Yeah, Google, thanks for fucking with me. If you don't want me viewing your videos, don't make them accessible on the standard protocols.

There are a host of other search engines. I use search.brave.com myself (after leta.mullvad.com was decommissioned).

Students will learn about other search engines, and about how corporations are not your friends. Both good lessons to learn.

settsu 2 hours ago||
Like, what are we even doing as a society?
31337Logic 2 hours ago||
Wikipedia > Google Why on earth did we let that diseased corporation into our classrooms in the first place?!
miltonlost 2 hours ago|
The economic elite really want to dumb children down at the same time of juicing their AI numbers by bundling LLMs and searches even when they don't need to be.
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