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Posted by ceejayoz 7 hours ago

Google will turn off search for schools that reject AI(www.nytimes.com)
https://archive.ph/RuwsB

https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/educatio...

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krunck 6 hours ago|
https://archive.ph/RuwsB
ceejayoz 6 hours ago||
I really don't like that my original submission "Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I." from the New York Times got replaced with "Designing responsible AI for learning" PR slop from Google Corporate that doesn't even disclose this limitation.

If the mods are gonna Orwell this, at least take my name off it.

edit: Thanks, mods, for putting it back.

jeltz 5 hours ago|||
Yeah, that is not ok at all. Flagged this post.
water-data-dude 5 hours ago||
Yeah, that's disturbing behavior. Maybe I've been living under a rock, but I kinda assumed the mod team wouldn't blatantly whitewash like this
tomhow 5 hours ago|||
We were just applying the guidelines policy:

Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter.

The exception to this this where a source contains significant additional information that is not in the original source, which, as commenters have pointed out, seems to be true in this case.

ceejayoz 5 hours ago||
> The exception to this this where a source contains significant additional information that is not in the original source…

This will virtually always be the case of a reputable news article about a PR announcement written by a corporate marketing department of this nature.

Example, currently #2 on the home page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50336918 would need to be changed to https://www.fujifilm.com/me/en/news/hq/14137.

I would also note the same guideline says to use the original title, which was (and remains, as submitted) "Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I."

ok_dad 5 hours ago|||
They are constantly tipping the scales here, and if you say so everyone will show up and claim they're the best mod team on the planet and totally fair and it's outrageous that you want to see accountability for mod actions via some sort of mod log and the mods will say that a mod log will allow some sort of bad actors to do something vague and threatening and they'll also use rules like a cudgel and claim a technical reading of some rule will absolve them. Then again, we are on a site run by a VC so what would you expect, of course they're going to tip the scales.
Catloafdev 6 hours ago||
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gdulli 5 hours ago||
I guess it was effectively phrased in the second person.
krunck 6 hours ago||
"Don't" isn't all that far, it's just one word.
dwedge 6 hours ago||
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buellerbueller 5 hours ago||
You could just log in. Seems like you are your own problem.
randomNumber7 6 hours ago||
Get "uBlock origin" bro and ads go away. Also you can click the archive link that op posted and read it there without paywall.
dwedge 12 minutes ago||
Seems a big part of why I was flagged is people not realising the possibility that the archive link wasn't there when I posted the comment.
shevy-java 5 hours ago||
Google now acts as a mafia. Why does a democracy allow rogue corporations blackmail schools and universities? That can only happen because a mafia runs the USA right now - otherwise that would have already shut down.

I think it is time to do the only logical thing here - and end Google. Nobody needs that monster company anyway.

goodmythical 4 hours ago||
How is this at all related to the mafia and anywhere near blackmailling schools?

It would only be blackmail if the service they are gating access to is of significant enough benefit that it causes enough harm to the schools to encourage them to also allow the gemini access, but that's counter to your claim that "nobody needs that company anyway"

Google is a private entity that is allowed to decide how anyone uses their products.

The schools, being entities themselves, are in turn allowed to handle this however they want. Perhaps rolling their own search to encourage learners to rely on better sources. Perhaps blocking AI generated responses. Perhaps blocking search results that advertise products to children.

Or they can just use any of a dozen other search providers.

31337Logic 5 hours ago||
Wikipedia > Google Why on earth did we let that diseased corporation into our classrooms in the first place?!
1970-01-01 5 hours ago||
Studies need to be done on how very terrible, bottom 5% of schools perform with all the extra AI help Google can enable. How could they possibly do worse with it running?
ceejayoz 5 hours ago||
> How could they possibly do worse with it running?

It's almost always possible to do worse.

walt_grata 5 hours ago|||
using AI to tell you the answer means you don't actually know or understand the answer. You know the entire point of education
betterunix2 5 hours ago|||
There are other ways to use AI in a school setting. Grading homework is a tedious and time-consuming task that would likely be simple for an AI to do.
MetalBreaksAndB 4 hours ago||
YMMV, but in my school, teachers can access AI while students (mostly) can't. It's possible to allow AI for teachers and not students.
1970-01-01 5 hours ago||||
That's certainly one outcome. Another is having AI tell you the answer and you understanding why your answer is incorrect. This is not black and white.
JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago||
The current research outcomes seem pretty black and white.
adrianN 5 hours ago|||
You can also use AI s an endlessly patient tutor. That could be beneficial.
ceejayoz 5 hours ago||
The real world seems like it might come as a shock to someone who learned for two decades from an endlessly patient computer.
eesmith 4 hours ago||
Some of the worst performance schools are cyber charter schools, which often promote the idea that they use AI as a personal tutor.

If they could get better results with off-the-shelf tools, I'm pretty sure they would.

(Not 100% sure. Some non-profit charters pay a for-profit management company, which suggests commercial software, where the charter, management company, and software provider are all owned by the same person. They may prefer to make more money than improve student grades.)

jeffbee 6 hours ago||
It isn't possible for Google to run a websearch query "without AI" and it hasn't been for over 10 years.
gdulli 5 hours ago||
It's incredibly obtuse to pretend not to understand that people object to LLM slop, but not everything that can fall under the broad term of "AI".
morkalork 5 hours ago||
Would you agree that there is a difference between "search results ranked by AI" and "Magic box that blurts out an answer"?

We do want to teach kids how to do searches, to look at and parse results and basically do "online research", right. Not just blindly trust the magic answer box?

skeledrew 5 hours ago||
The "magic box" is really just summarizing the top X results, which have been ranked by AI for many years. Everyone has been "blindly trusting" all that for a good while now.
Dylan16807 40 minutes ago|||
It's super bad at accurate summarization.
morkalork 5 hours ago|||
Reading, evaluating and summarizing results is exactly the skill we want to teach kids.

This is like a book publisher refusing to sell books to schools without including spark notes on the inside cover.

skeledrew 3 hours ago||
I remember being taught library skills as a kid. That's what adults back in the day wanted to teach, because we needed to be able to find books to help with assignments and whatnot. And then the Internet and search engines happened and that class is no more. Things and times change.
xnx 4 hours ago||
Seems reasonable. You can't have a useful search of the modern web without AI.
platevoltage 2 hours ago||
That's absurd. Google Search used to work. Now it doesn't.
xnx 1 hour ago||
There's no going back. You can't use 1998 PageRank on the 2026 web.
ceejayoz 1 hour ago||
No one's asking for 1998, just 2025.
tempaccountabcd 2 hours ago||
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Frieren 4 hours ago|
And this is why Google needs to be split in parts. Ads on one side, or many sides as they have purchased so many ads business that they should be further divided, youtube on another side, search in a different one, etc.

Split monopolies so they stop threatening schools, governments and citizens.