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Posted by speckx 2 hours ago

AI is destroying my CS degree(lordtoots.bearblog.dev)
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johsole 2 hours ago|
I used to have a lot of anxiety about Ai wiping out all the Software specific jobs, software development/testing/project management, etc. I actually do think that's still likely to be the case going forward. Pick an industry and try and become an expert in it. Someone will still have to prompt and dream up new features. There are still things that you can't prompt your way to, but they're on the relationship side, not the technical side. I'm not sure what I would say to someone currently doing a CS degree, Math degree, Physics degree, or wanting to do one. Most likely I would say if you want to have a stable income, get good at sales.
trunnell 59 minutes ago||
To the student: if you have better ideas then let's hear them. Otherwise this is just another college student rant about the administration, AI-flavored.

At least his school is trying to find something that works, and reacting when they make a mistake.

No one has the answers yet.

Side note, advice to all college students: I learned a lot from my CS degree, but I also got a lot of unexpected value from the courses that prepare you to answer the big-picture questions about life, namely the humanities. YMMV. But having worked at all levels of our field, from junior dev to architect, manager, director, VP, startup co-founder, I can tell you that my college's liberal arts/humanities requirements only helped me more and more every year, becoming essential once I was responsible for larger teams. If I had to do it over again, I'd be more careful about selecting those courses and getting more from them. The question of "how to use AI in education" is a perfect example: what expertise do think will be required to figure this out?

Kaethar 1 hour ago||
The uni I recently graduated is also very confused regarding what to do... Things have converged towards less hands on assignments and more theoretical exams, something I know for sure I would've hated during my studies.

It's awkward, you're very unlikely to stop students from using AI for certain assignments (i.e: first programming class) for the good of their fundamentals, but there's also no other teaching tool being used to get them equivalent experience to solving assignments without AI.

cush 1 hour ago||
It’s probably time students shift further away from studying computer science and more toward software engineering. It provides real skills that are still relevant in the AI era. Less memorizing algorithms, more SDLC, team management, economics, and working with real customers on their requirements.
zamadatix 1 hour ago||
I decided to finally get a CS degree at juuuust the right time (well, for my personal reasons of "love of the game" at least - individual interests may vary), having wrapped up ~2 years ago.

It was interesting to see things change towards the end. Some was the chaos from the lack of consistency the article highlights just starting to emerge. Mostly though, it was just the rampant surge in cheating and the classes not being prepared for it.

signaleleven 1 hour ago||
I use AI extensively at work. I don't vibe code - I'm extremely intentional about what I have it do.

I keep getting excited because I can ask it questions and learn so much from it, but then I realize that a lot of what I'm learning is specific technical knowledge that I don't really need anymore.

That said, the important stuff in building systems has never been the coding. It's the wisdom to organize the system in such a way that it works well and is changeable. AI is still really bad at this. But it's super good at the for loops and if statements, which is actually the easy stuff.

Aozora7 1 hour ago||
That seems like a normal academia dysfunction, AI is just another thing they are failing to adapt to. I graduated 10 years ago and on the job I had to unlearn most of what I learned from the Java course, for example.

I haven't seen a better example of "those who can't do, teach" than CS professors.

1970-01-01 2 hours ago||
The double standard of "YES WE'RE USING AI BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD!" needs to be called out much more. It isn't some forbidden fruit.
poulpy123 5 minutes ago||
But the act of teaching is a double standard between the teacher and the students. I remember courses , exercises and exams when I was in highschool and university where calculators were forbidden because the goal wasn't to get the numerical answer, that was just the icing on the cake
literalAardvark 1 hour ago|||
It's not a double standard. It's the same standard applied to different things.

The best way we know of to learn something with AI is to do the work yourself, then watch AI blow you out of the water on the same task, learn its tricks and do the work again (better, even, since AI isn't that great at it yet)

Which means the teacher can use AI, and you can't.

This is also an entirely different subject to whether you should be learning that specific task in the first place or delegate it to AI.

1970-01-01 1 hour ago||
>The best way we know of to learn something with AI is to do the work yourself, then watch AI blow you out of the water on the same task, learn its tricks and do the work again (better, even, since AI isn't that great at it yet)

Citation on this? There is something on HN front page right now that is contradicting.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50353192

literalAardvark 1 hour ago||
It's a potentially murdered paraphrase from a Harvard Business School professor that works in the field.

I don't have a very high quality source but this does cover and expand on it: https://youtu.be/vFOnDsy58NU

Or "Karim lakhani how to learn with AI" and see Gemini's skim of the video.

The other thread is highly sensationalised and not really related. (Edit: sorry I thought it was a different thread, the one that's sublinked by OP in your thread. So disregard this paragraph. I can't contest either position, I'm a mere spectator. That being said, I don't see the contradiction, perhaps you could elaborate on that)

freeplay 1 hour ago||
It's not that it's forbidden fruit, but it's akin to asking your mom for every answer on your 3rd grade homework. You get the correct answer and learn nothing.

Sure, in the real world outside of school, you'll be able to get help from many external tools. But when the entire point is to learn something, any tools that prohibit you from learning should be avoided.

Surac 1 hour ago||
if you only do CS for the job or the money you where wrong from the beginning. I do this for 45 years now and every year ther was a horror story how now tech will change everything. You have to empbrace the change and have fun in adapting. CS is nothing to sleep on. If you only do it for the money do something else.
digitalsushi 1 hour ago|
Wesley Crusher was kidnapped away to a planet with no children. Their bodies were decaying but their technology was superior to the Federation's so they needed to steal other people's kids.

They gave Wesley a laser scalpel, to teach him to chisel wood, with whatever his mind could picture.

Wesley complained, he said, "dood, this isn't art! i'm not even chiseling!"

And the mentor-kidnapper said, "No, Wesley, you are doing art. The art is in your mind. The tool is just doing the work."

And so then Wesley threw the perfect wooden dolphin at the wall, infuriated that all the pleasure had been removed from the art. But he lived the rest of his life on that planet, making perfect wooden laser sculpted dolphins, cause that was his job and his boss told him too bad.

For a little while Wesley made popsicle stick art during his free time at night to try and feel the sensation of choice and control, but eventually just gave up and played mariokart until he was an old man.

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