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Posted by gmays 3 hours ago

Study estimates 75% of NFL players who died over 15-year span had CTE(www.nbcnews.com)
111 points | 65 commentspage 2
jimbob45 59 minutes ago|
I know the millennial urge is to have everything condensed down to a one minute video that knocks down orthodox thinking and presents a bold new idea that magically no one has ever thought of before. It's never as simple as they make it seem. However, that's actually the case here - the solution seems to boil down to banning tackles in practice until HS or college outside of gamedays and acknowledging that five-year-olds can still sustain CTE.

https://youtu.be/V7MOK-F8o5I?si=ClJcs-vYmSWv_Ph8

quaddoggy 1 hour ago||
This is such a brutal sport. For reasons outside my control (see: partner), NFL games are on in my house every weekend—and therefore in my peripheral vision. It seems like every game a 20 something in their prime is being carted off for a season ending injury. Unacceptable costs. Tennis is the way. Boxing without contact.
noJiveTV 1 hour ago||
Played for four years ... my conclusion: regular, calm, ordinary people don't usually excel at american football. Aggressive, intense, competitive folk have a great time tho' ... it's not safe at all. Every last one of the starters self-identify as: a headbuster!
criddell 1 hour ago||
Why can't CTE be diagnosed until after death? Do the lesions not show up in scans?
mmooss 1 hour ago||
I wonder if it's possible to take the head out of American football, and use helmets as just extra protection in accidents - like helmets in almost every other endeavor (climbing, construction, bicycling, etc.). Make it a game played from the neck down.

You can count on people saying it's impossible, 'this isn't football', players saying 'I can't play this way; I'll retire', etc. That happens with every change, including the ones that all the players accept and play with now, and which are part of the most popular sport in the U.S. Not unlike responses to changes in technology.

Already, things like helmet-to-helmet hits, spearing helmet-first, etc. are against the rules (I don't know the exact rules). Players can control what body parts make contact with what on the opposing player - obviously: in other things in life, including other sports, you don't instinctively lead with your skull.

I would guess that blocking between the offensive and defensive lines would be the biggest change. They begin inches apart and slam into each other at the start of each play, and generally whoever gets leverage lower will win. I think it would just look different, more arms and less body-to-body.

Also, are there sensors for helmets that would pickup impacts? I think sensing the accoustics / vibrations might be sufficient.

missedthecue 13 minutes ago|
They have mouthguards now with kinematic sensors to measure collisions. It's called the NFL Instrumented Mouthguard Program.
1970-01-01 2 hours ago||
Holy buried lede, Batman:

>The bulk of the head impacts that these former NFL players experienced didn’t occur at the NFL level. They occurred at the collegiate level ... and at the high school level and in many cases the youth level. And all of those cumulative hits to the head added up to result in an increased risk,” said Daneshvar.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/nfl-cte-players-s...

christophilus 1 hour ago||
Yeah. The rules need to change substantially at all levels. I can't see another way out, without just banning the sport outright. In soccer, they've already done it at the kid's level. My kids' teams don't allow heading the ball at all. That's such an obvious win. It changes soccer pretty substantially, but it's still a lot of fun, and much safer with that rule in place. Football has enough money that I'm sure someone can solve this by adjusting the rules towards safety without completely changing what makes the game fun.

That said, it may not be solvable. It's not just helmet-to-helmet collisions that are the problem. You often see players make a diving grab, and their head slams into the ground when they land. That's micro-concussion territory that may be unavoidable. But, my guess is it's an 80/20 rule. If you somehow eliminate player-to-helmet hits altogether, you'd probably end up in a good enough place.

rancar2 2 hours ago|||
As a youth football from 5 years old in the 90s to high school in 00s in the Midwest, this is not surprising at all. Things are competitive from a young age. We more recently know much better, but this knowledge. The taught knowledge was protecting one’s neck from injury with “proper” form. From my lived experience at those times, there was 0 mention of head injuries, and blacking out and dizziness after hits were ignored by all if you were able to stand or walk within a short period of time.
Aboutplants 1 hour ago|||
This is actually worse for the NFL, as it shows the cumulative impact is more dangerous than players who stop playing at high school
dopamean 2 hours ago|||
Great news for the NFL.
skyyler 49 minutes ago||
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dwaltrip 1 hour ago||
The game should be changed. It’s very clear.

People will adapt.

ramesh31 1 hour ago||
This isn't an NFL problem, it's the very nature of the game. The lifelong damage is done by the time they reach that point. Average NFL tenure is less than 4 years, but anyone who reaches that level has been playing since they were 8.
ElijahLynn 2 hours ago||
Glad this is being talked about.
kenjackson 1 hour ago|
What is the percent of the general population?
theDoug 1 hour ago||
The percent of the general population that gets Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy? This isn't a naturally occurring phenomena. It's the cumulative result of repetitive skull impacts and concussions.
evandijk70 1 hour ago|||
Google gives 3-6% in non-athletes
alex43578 22 minutes ago||
Not sure what source that is, but that seems way too high to be non-athletes.
jedberg 1 hour ago|||
Basically zero. It only happens if you keep getting hit in the head.
mmooss 59 minutes ago||
A recent prior study - I think one of those mentioned in the article - said other studies found very little, maybe one or two brains in the samples. And that included a study of military veterans.