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Posted by jameslk 4 hours ago

Tell HN: Gemini trains on chat history, even for subscribers (personal accounts)

If you have a personal Google AI subscription, all your saved chat history in Gemini can be used for training and there is no way to opt out unless you turn off chat history or use temporary chat sessions. These chat transcripts may even be read by human reviewers. Although Google claims to disconnect them from your account when human-reviewed, they explicitly warn not to enter confidential information.

https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/16836988

“[Gemini app activity] is used to improve Google services for everyone, including by training generative AI models, if your Keep Activity setting is on.“

https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/13594961?hl=en#human_review

“A subset of chats are reviewed by human reviewers”

https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/13594961?hl=en#pn_retain_data

“Chats reviewed by human reviewers [...] are not deleted when you delete your activity. Instead, they are retained for up to three years.”

https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/13594961?hl=en#pn_data_usage

“Please don’t enter confidential information that you wouldn’t want a reviewer to see or Google to use to improve our services, including machine-learning technologies.”

To disable their training on your chat sessions, you need to turn off “Keep Activity” in Gemini’s settings. Turning that off means you’ll lose any chat sessions after 72 hours.

I learned this too late, thinking that having a paid subscription = not being turned into the product. Apparently paying is not enough.

Thank you to this user on HN for mentioning in another thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50355424

194 points | 52 commentspage 3
wewewedxfgdf 3 hours ago|
It might matter if Gemini was good enough to use but its not - I only use ChatGPT and Claude.
Haven880 2 hours ago||
Their recent Argon is weak as well. But then they promise Carbon going to be world changing. Yeah sure.
kuboble 2 hours ago||
For daily chat gemini is great.

actually even gemma locally is great for a lot of chat purposes.

Zeruxe 2 hours ago||
Scary!
jbrooks84 2 hours ago||
Every AI trains on the input given to it
Havoc 2 hours ago|
This is false.

eg Gemini enterprise has a note under each chat session explicitly saying it’s not used to improve the models

StanislavPetrov 3 hours ago||
We should all be writing bots that constantly spam all of these so-called AIs with random nonsense to poison the well.
Aachen 3 hours ago|
Ah yes, the poison-the-product-you're-trying-to-use strategy
r_lee 3 hours ago||
another Google W I guess? gemini really leading the pack over here
Aachen 3 hours ago|
W I?
ForHackernews 3 hours ago||
"...Google W[in,] I guess..."
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