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Posted by theanonymousone 4 days ago

'It's just vape, nail, charity shops': Can anything save UK high street?(www.theguardian.com)
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anovikov 3 days ago|
With 13% vacancy rate it's most certainly just very marginal businesses that stayed, so rents must be dirt cheap by now. Anything over 10-12% signals oversupply and it's a race to the bottom for landlords. Whatever it is, landlords are not to blame.

People just don't want to walk around places when they can drive and buy everything in one place.

"They do it because they can", this is the best explanation in so many cases, this not the exception.

ta988 3 days ago||
In the US, someone involved in some kind of money laundering task force explained to me that a lot of those short lived stores are used to launder money and other money related operations. Lots of barbershops for example had the only same 5 people all day long talking smoking and occasionally getting cuts yet the store was making as much revenue as a high frequentation store...
gib444 3 days ago|
UK gov, councils and police are all well aware. It's been exposed multiple times by reputable media outlets

Police don't care enough (or are told to do just enough to keep some of the public happy) and the government likes the income taxes from the "employees" and the council likes the business rates...

It's corrupt as hell

gadders 3 days ago||
A lot of those companies are tax dodges or money laundering. They are the only ones that can afford to pay the landlords and the mad council rates.

Councils trying to extract as money as possible from shoppers via parking companies doesn't help either.

torcete 3 days ago||
Unfortunately it's a trend that is expanding worldwide, but who wants to visit a city that offers the same of any other city? It's like plastic copies of the same product over and over again. Like an Andy Warhol piece.
throwaway-blaze 3 days ago||
Mentions the druggies in passing twice (once in a quote) and an astronomical crime level (160 per 1000 people? So I have a 16% chance of being a victim??) but zero mention of either at the end of the article in terms of fixing the issue.

Zero info on who the government hundreds of millions is going towards to help the problem (let me guess: a bunch of nonprofits who won't solve the problem).

dofm 3 days ago||
> and an astronomical crime level (160 per 1000 people? So I have a 16% chance of being a victim??)

Not even close, unless you own a shop (in which case, in some areas, life can undeniably be exasperating and miserable). The vast majority of high street crimes are shoplifting or possession (or drinking in alcohol control areas) and an astonishingly large number are attributed to a tiny, tiny number of people.

There are high crime areas in most towns in the UK where you will feel pretty safe, because the crime is simply not directed at you.

When it does spill over into personal violence, it is the aforementioned handful of people with drug problems. It’s worth noting that one incident involving three people is likely to result in a dozen recorded crimes. And a British town of sixty thousand people will have so few of these prolific individuals that they themselves commute to neighbouring towns to steal.

Worth remembering also if you are an American that in the UK we have not decriminalised marijuana, so there are drug possession and small-scale dealing crimes in there too.

bartekrutkowski 3 days ago|||
I would kindly disagree. In my rather "posh" and "good neighborhood " little village I've had 3 house robberies (well, one robbery and 2 attempts) in the span of 14 months, and I have myself witnessed two shop robberies as I was in Sainsburys for milk and eggs.

The crime is there, can be absolutely overwhelming and police does absolute f*k all about it (after the robbery they didn't even bothered to shop up, I was told over by phone to collect the evidence myself and bring it to the police because "we are solving these crimes from the office" by the investigating officer. They didn't solve that one).

asdff 3 days ago|||
Posh might be part of the issue. In my area seems like most home robberies are in wealthy neighborhoods, where no ones home and there might be nice jewelry to steal instead of my sad ancient tv.
lifty 3 days ago|||
I’m wondering why societies choose to put up with this?
tonyedgecombe 3 days ago|||
We don’t, burglaries have been on a decades long decline in the UK.

One person’s anecdote is not data.

not-kinsale-joe 3 days ago|||
What do you mean?
nsoam 3 days ago|||
> an astonishingly large number are attributed to a tiny, tiny number of people.

That sounds like something that would be extremely easy to fix!

dofm 3 days ago||
It’s not, particularly, without unjust laws like three strikes.

For one thing, it’s a revolving cast of a few dozen people at any one time (people do go to prison, get rehabilitated, move on or get moved on). For another, they are often vulnerable or exploited: a lot of shoplifting is done to order, to supply the black market.

The UK does need to take shoplifting more seriously, but it’s important to understand that it is a consequence of both the design of retail (self-checkout and fewer staff) and of the cost of living.

nsoam 3 days ago||
There is nothing unjust about being expelled from society when you are found to be too damaging.

What is unjust, though, is to be the victim of criminals who benefit from knowing exactly what the threshold is to not being removed from society.

dofm 3 days ago||
Three strikes, in particular, is inherently unjust. There's no serious argument that it is not.

Silly fake faux-old-testament solutions like this don't actually work, as is demonstrated by the fact that most crime has fallen faster since they were abandoned.

nekitamo 3 days ago||
Not only that, this specific town was the first one where the allegations about grooming gangs and police acquiescence emerged:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploit...

It sounds like a very rough place, with very incompetent police.

christkv 4 days ago||
Hey how else are you going to launder dirty money.
ollybee 4 days ago||
With the Home Office’s Wastewater Analysis for Narcotics Detection (WAND) they found at £9.8 billion the Cocaine industry is 4 times what had previously been assumed. That's a lot of dirty money launder.
jarym 4 days ago||
Sad but true, when economic times get tough then the grey/black market can survive better.
christkv 4 days ago||
Another variant I see are mobile phone case shops in super expensive rental locations selling 5-10 euro cases. Sure......
varispeed 4 days ago|||
They are selling whatever you want to buy.

I've seen shops in London that don't even bother having any products on display. Just many blokes and a till.

tonyedgecombe 4 days ago||||
Or American sweet shops. I doubt it’s a big enough market to justify the number of them in my nearest city.
lifestyleguru 4 days ago||||
also candy stores, bubble tea...
jjgreen 4 days ago|||
Ah, you know Oxford street.
doublerabbit 4 days ago||
Could you pick me up an AI generated "I Love UK" tote bag if you're heading that way.
ForHackernews 4 days ago||
Charity shops are great, actually. I wish more countries had them as commonly as the UK does.
dyauspitr 4 days ago|
What the hell is a charity shop? Like a storefront for a non profit that you can donate money to or a shop with cheap subsidized groceries for poor people?
pantropy 4 days ago|||
Essentially just a thrift shop run by a charity, with proceeds going to their stated goal. In the UK it's generally Oxfam, Cancer Research UK or the BHF (British Heart Foundation)
charlieyu1 4 days ago||||
UK Charities collect unwanted used/unused products from people and sell to fund their operations. Product ranges from small toys, books, tableware, clothing, used electronics to furnitures. Sometimes you found good new stuff too.
dyauspitr 3 days ago||
Ah a thrift store.
waiwai933 4 days ago||||
Others have mentioned in a separate thread, but it is a thrift shop operated by a charity.
wiredfool 4 days ago|||
Thrift store. Like Goodwill.
Ericson2314 3 days ago||
Most of UK is surprisingly poor so of course there are no nice shops. Duh!
pradeeproark 3 days ago||
Is there any discussion on the role of “welfare benefits” on this?
emsign 3 days ago|
Those shops are money laundering vehicles. Meaning: they are subsidized by cash from illegal activities and without that they'd be unprofitable as well, leaving high streets empty.
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