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Posted by speckx 18 hours ago

Insects don't swarm at LED lights(www.birdsoutsidemywindow.org)
292 points | 139 commentspage 3
HeyLaughingBoy 16 hours ago|
Um, no. I live on a farm and often have to do chores in the dark with an LED headlight. Sometimes I have to turn it off because I'm dive bombed by so many insects.
Xcelerate 18 hours ago||
I wonder if it’s only the UV that makes a difference. I have some Yuji SunWave bulbs (and the NIR versions). Would be interesting to test those at night against normal LED bulbs and incandescent.
theandrewbailey 17 hours ago||
Maybe this helps answer the question of 'where did the bugs go', because windshields aren't as full of them today compared to 20-30 years ago.
cbg0 17 hours ago||
The answer to that is pesticides. There's still plenty of insects ready to smash into your windshield in many parts of the world.
silisili 17 hours ago|||
I wonder what percentage is pesticides vs development? I currently live in an area(US) where a drive to the nearest city of size absolutely coats my car in bugs. US, mostly farmland(soybeans/corn). I wasn't here 30 years ago so can't say there's as many as then, likely not. But if it were only pesticides I'd expect the rural areas to have less bugs than the more developed areas...
aeonfox 16 hours ago|||
As someone who has made many interstate trips through Australia's farmland, I can say that over the decades there's definitely been a drop in windshield splatter. It's unsurprising that pesticide deployed at scale reduces bug populations. Even herbicides which aren't intended as insecticides have limited product advantage to being bug-safe (apart from pollinated crops... and even then). Some aren't even human-safe. An extreme example is paraquat, that while being a herbicide, is irreversibly deadly to humans^ when consumed even in tiny amounts.

^ Obligatory Chubbyemu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VtUGoGZtI8

dylan604 15 hours ago|||
I would lean towards the urbanization of the land as well. I rarely get bugs on my car in the city, but as soon as I head out to the country at night my car is covered. I had to stop at a gas station back in May not for gas but just to squeegee the windscreen so I could see again.
arcfour 17 hours ago|||
Pesticides weren't in use 20-30 years ago? Wouldn't more dangerous pesticides have been in use then, too, compared to now?
roromainmain 17 hours ago|||
They have been used much more massively since the 80s, price decreased significantly.
mcmcmc 17 hours ago|||
Yes, and advancements have made them both safer and more effective
r721 3 hours ago|||
There's a Wikipedia entry for that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windshield_phenomenon
baoooooooooooo 17 hours ago|||
wow this would be a neat twist if true - we all defaulted to the negative explanation of having killed them all where a much more positive explanation might be that we're no longer luring them to their deaths at the leading edge of automobiles?

I guess it is most likely some combination of the above, but if there's any evidence it would be a neat reframing

faidit 15 hours ago|||
Colorado: "Insect biomass declined by ∼47% and abundance declined by ∼61.5% over the last 35 years." https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ecs2...

Germany: "More than 75 percent decline over 27 years in total flying insect biomass in protected areas" https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

Puerto Rico: "dry weight biomass of arthropods captured in sweep samples had declined 4 to 8 times, and 30 to 60 times in sticky traps." https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1722477115

HelloMcFly 17 hours ago|||
The mass insect-death on windshield issue was as much a daytime issue and nighttime one.
amelius 17 hours ago|||
Are you sure about that?
Angostura 16 hours ago||
Yes. The daytime crop was always greater than at night
mahboi 17 hours ago|||
The McFlies don't think very much
calt 17 hours ago|||
My hypothesis is better wind tunnel testing for modern cars so that the bugs go over instead of splatting.
dylan604 15 hours ago||
I'd go with fewer people having experience driving not in a city, at least in this forum making the claims as GP
dylan604 15 hours ago||
I think they just all collectively got tired of hearing my dad's punny about "it doesn't have the guts to do that again" any time a bug squashed on the windscreen.
lakeviewterrace 16 hours ago||
What lies.

I bought LED "bug lights" — those yellow bulbs that are supposed to be invisible to bugs.

Every bulb in the pack electrically failed within 10 minutes.

I gave up and went back to an incandescent. Still works perfectly.

So sick of the zero-quality LED bulbs that have entirely flooded the market. Of course they had their hand forced by government mandates, people needed mass quantities of cheap bulbs that could match a 75¢ incandescent. They didn't have this problem when LED bulbs were $20 each (and weighed about as much, due to the heat sink).

AmazingEveryDay 14 hours ago||
It was always a scam because LED bulbs need power supply and that creates heat, switching hundreds of volts ac to low volt dc. They don't last any longer than incandescent in fact they have much shorter lifetimes.
fransje26 4 hours ago|||
> They don't last any longer than incandescent in fact they have much shorter lifetimes.

The leds do, but the "low-quality" electronic drivers do not and die first. Often well before the advertised lifespan.

mikestew 14 hours ago|||
They don't last any longer than incandescent in fact they have much shorter lifetimes.

Tell that to my 10 year old Philipps Hue lights. I wonder if there is some other quality at work that would explain the difference...

lakeviewterrace 14 hours ago||
Average lifetime of my Philips bulbs is ~ 8 months before they develop the 'flicker of death'... at roughly $7/bulb I might as well go back to black market incandescents.
dylan604 15 hours ago||
A cheaply made bulb doesn't really support your theory though. Before LEDs, the anti-bug yellow incandescent bulb was available. It puts of a horrendous light and most people didn't like them. It's in the top 3 of lights that I do not like: 1) anything CFL, 2) any cool white (>3600K) light at night, 3) ugly yellow anti-bug light, 4) whatever the ugly greenish light 7-11 uses at some gas stations, 5) 4300K fluoro tubes.
lakeviewterrace 15 hours ago||
It's in a garden shed, so...
caymanjim 12 hours ago||
This is utter nonsense. I live in an RV all summer. Every light is LED, inside and out. They swarm all over the lights.
ChrisMarshallNY 18 hours ago||
I have noticed that. We have LED porch lights, and never see the usual moths and whatnot.
anthk 10 hours ago||
Without looking at the article, it might be IR related.
unpleasurable 18 hours ago||
Do flames emit UV?
officeplant 17 hours ago||
Yes, but how much UV depends on what's burnin / how hot its burning. Otherwise they mostly put out IR.

We use UV/IR combo Flame detectors at work for this purpose.

bell-cot 16 hours ago||
IIR, hydrogen flames can emit enough of their energy in the UV for that to be a serious issue - both direct human exposure, and degradation of exposed surfaces and equipment.
devindotcom 17 hours ago|||
a little but not much, from my quick look online.
metalman 15 hours ago|||
lived with candles and kerocene lanterns, etc for years and the odd bug will go nuts and spiral in, but not very many but all in all, there are way less bugs everywhere now
aaomidi 18 hours ago||
No but they emit smoke
skeezyboi 16 hours ago|
because they dont emit UV.... a lot of waffle to tell me that
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