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Posted by Rasbora 17 hours ago

Residential proxies detected on White House network(layer3intel.com)
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2026/11/want-to-rent-an-internet...
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anpat 17 hours ago|
How would one detect this on their home network and protect themselves from?
blacksmith_tb 17 hours ago||
Step one, find your public IP, I like ipinfo.io but there are many other services that will show it. Then pop it into a tool like the one that's hosting TFA[1]

1: https://layer3intel.com/context

therein 15 hours ago||
There is also iphub.info and iphunter.info.

In my experience, out of the two, iphunter.info has the more comprehensive database, I think the owner/operator frequents HN.

alam2000 12 hours ago||
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EvanAnderson 17 hours ago|||
Unexpected traffic would be the biggest gross red flag. If it constrains itself to moving traffic when it's otherwise perform its desired function (if it's one of those "free TV" boxes and it only proxies when you're playing video) it might be hard to tease-out the unwanted traffic purely looking at bytes in/out.

Beyond that gross metric you're getting into capturing traffic and decoding it.

tom1337 17 hours ago||
Check network traffic from smart devices would be a good start. If your TV does gigabytes of traffic in the night when you don’t use it, it most likely is acting as a residential proxy.
wolvoleo 7 hours ago||
I didn't know that residential proxies were a thing. That sounds pretty handy because going online via a VPN gives constant nag popups from the likes of cloudflare :( I hate them.

It would be nice if the VPNs would integrate this option.

I don't need one from the white house though :)

OJFord 14 hours ago||
I've never heard the term 'residential proxy' before, but it seems like a Tailscale exit node would qualify for example? This doesn't seem necessarily malicious or even inadvertently dangerous to me?
oasisbob 14 hours ago||
Residential IP addresses tend to have better reputations than datacenter networks, so there are providers who sell access to home internet connections. Oftentimes the people running the proxies have no idea they're running on their network, they're quasi malicious.

https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/threat-intelligence/goo...

mcv 4 hours ago||
"Quasi" malicious? What's quasi about it? It sounds completely malicious and fraudulent to do this without the knowledge of the network owner.
itishappy 14 hours ago|||
It's pretty much exactly a Tailscale exit node, just one that somebody else installed without your knowledge or consent.
rcxdude 14 hours ago|||
Generally not really. Residential proxies are services that can provide customers with the ability to send and receive traffic from a wide range of apparently legitimate networks (i.e. people's home internet connections). Almost always this is done without the informed consent of the person who owns the device that is used as a proxy, whether it be buried in some agreement somewhere or just outright malware.

The biggest danger is that said proxies can also allow access to internal networks, and as you might guess from how they are installed, are not usually operated by the most scrupulous of organizations.

O_H_E 12 hours ago||
> whether it be buried in some agreement somewhere

is that actually a thing that was caught before?

debugnik 7 hours ago||
Yes, some of these companies offer libraries to turn your mobile app into an exit node and get paid for the traffic. You can find news about Google Play playing whac-a-mole against apps doing so silently, often involving law enforcement as well.

Also some free VPNs use their users as exit nodes for their actual paying customers, good luck finding a user who understands that. It's the obvious way to monetize such a service other than ads.

TZubiri 14 hours ago||
it’s a well known term in shady markets of the internet, they allow users and abusers to bypass bans and create multiple accounts that cannot be linked with each other by networking intel
cowlevel 13 hours ago||
And bypass restrictions that are keeping data paywalled as well.
vonunov 10 hours ago||
And use stolen credit card numbers while appearing to originate from the real cardholder's area to avoid triggering fraud detection
privacyishuman 10 hours ago||
I was just thinking, what company's reviews could you trust the least than a residential proxy provider.

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/myxproxy.com?languages=all

tgtweak 11 hours ago||
Not all residential proxy providers are seedy - but I only know of one that isn't out of probably 20 or so major players so I guess fair call out on "infected".
dgellow 2 hours ago||
The next administration needs to redo the whole infrastructure from scratch. They have to assume everything is compromised
diyseguy 11 hours ago||
https://archive.ph/ado1H

Not sure why the text is all black, but it's there

gdevenyi 16 hours ago||
It would be really great to have some info about how to detect such things locally.
Good4boothee 4 hours ago||
It is tricky. Monitoring network traffic should be enough, the infected device has to connect to Command and Control, to receive orders and set up tunnels. It got harder after malware creators started using Telegram, Discord or even good old IRC for those purposes - it will be asy to notice only if they use a service no one else uses in your network.
cowlevel 13 hours ago||
Step 1: have you installed anything from an app store such as Google Play or Apple's app store?

Step 2: have you bought any devices made by large companies like LG or Samsung?

EmX_3000 9 hours ago||
Why not? Cass Sunstein even suggested such an approach in his book in the 1990s, back when he was the Presidential Science Advisor. It's no different than the King of England going out among his people in disguise to get the lay of the land.

OTOH it could be a honeypot, OR possibly somebody was careless. But there is no reason it has to be suspicious.

cowlevel 13 hours ago|
Based. Can we turn every IP address that exists into a residential proxy, and then finally end this IP reputation stuff once and for all?
BLKNSLVR 12 hours ago|
I'd still find a way to block your scrapers.
cowlevel 10 hours ago||
Such as what? I've tried to block scrapers on my website, and only the low effort ones are easy.
BLKNSLVR 7 hours ago||
Pure speculation, I don't have any concrete answers. I'm fairly scorched-earth with my blocking, but I'm only protecting personal environments, so no one other than scatter-gun-everything AI-scraper-bots would even bother.

I'd be very interested in AI capabilities in detecting anomalous activity given that it should be very effective at pattern matching across large data sets. What would be required, however, is significant training with industry/application specific 'normal' browsing traffic patterns to determine acceptable tolerances, and then design escalating deterrence if and when tolerances are breached.

How is the scraper process stepping through the site? It must be programmatic, even if it's programmed to be random. What does that look like in traffic data in terms of timing and content requests?

What hazards can be put in place that a normal user would never go near, but a scraper is likely to trip over?

If scraping is being performed from multiple locations in parallel, what might that look like? ie. joining multiple sessions together that may show a more 'scraper' kind of behaviour.

Under IPv6 wouldn't detection start burning a lot of addresses? Yes, the pool is large, but that just means it's a scaling issue from IPv4 to IPv6, rather than a new problem requiring new thinking to solve? (assuming ways of detection were successful).

I'm being somewhat devil's advocate in my blocking rhetoric. The internet is in a weird confluence of wild-west and surveillance state. I like that there are ways and means of being anon-/pseudon-ymous; I like a bit of anarchaos, that's where the spirit of hacking lives. But I also don't want it sticking to my boots when I walk in the house. I'm also not fundamentally against scraping; there's definitely good scraping. There is an irony, though, in protecting scraped data or services that are built on scraped data (and I'm not accusing you, personally, just my general logical ideology of scraping). On residential proxies, I think they're 99% run by erstwhile criminals leveraging what were, until recently, referred to as botnets into a service they can launder their botnets through as 'I am legitimate business man'. I think most, basically all, residential proxies are run involuntarily or unwittingly and that blocking them would provide a greater society benefit than it would a drawback. Anything that promotes the sanitisation of end user devices can only be a good thing. The whole ecosystem is in a terrible state and regulation doesn't even seem to be on the distant horizon.

Maybe I'm hypocritical, or I'm trying to maintain mutually exclusive positions. This is where I'm at though.

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