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Posted by davidbarker 14 hours ago

Images 2.6(openai.com)
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dllu 13 hours ago|
The blog post says

> Images 2.6 is available globally today in ChatGPT and Codex across all subscription tiers on desktop, mobile, and web.

But I just updated my codex-cli to the latest version (still 0.166.0) and it is still unable to generate gifs. Very disappointing

yje07039 4 hours ago||
How well does this handle SVG generation? Does it perform better than existing LLMs when asked to create SVGs?
speak_plainly 13 hours ago||
On a phone, if you share a gif, it creates a link to ChatGPT.com with a static image. You can also save the image to photos and share directly from there which feels like an unnecessary step.

It feels like a sleazy pattern and defeats the purpose of why I’d want to generate a gif in the first place, which to make clear is likely going to be to share with friends in a chat. I’m not interested in driving traffic to ChatGPT.com to impress my friends.

augment_me 13 hours ago|
But then Meta/Apple/Google gets your behavioral surplus for selling Ads instead of OpenAI. Do you want higher subscription costs?
CuriousRose 12 hours ago||
As an aside, there was a recent post about building in an emulator in an open model. I think it was Qwen 3.6. Actually, I think this type of hard-coded calculation would be very well suited to a small image model as seemingly trivial tasks like symmetry or moving text or placing a vector are quite difficult to do for models currently.
baalimago 7 hours ago||
My biggest surprise with this release is the amount of upvotes on HN. It's literally the same as what we've had the past 1.5 years, or more.
bananaflag 6 hours ago||
Stupid question: why is there a separate image model? Shouldn't GPT-6.x be multimodal?
armcat 6 hours ago|
It's not a stupid question. It is multi-modal but it's about efficiency. A model that is trained purely on generating images is smaller and faster and has its own set of optimisation techniques, compared to a "generalist" multi modal LLM.

Same applies for speech models.

spi 6 hours ago||
I... doubt that's true? I don't know all the details how these recent image generation models work, but last time I checked people still used diffusion models for it. Diffusion pipelines are _slower_ and _more expensive_ than the language model, not cheaper.

"generalist" multi-modal LLM mostly uses images (and videos, sounds, etc.) as input. I'm quite sure they have an output head for it, as well, used during training, but their outputs are probably not as good. They generate images much faster (hence probably cheaper), too: typically a token is 16x16 pixels, so to generate an image of modest 512x512 resolution would be the same as generating a 1024 token length string, that nowadays is pretty fast and cheap (e.g. with Sol it would be about $0.01). But the result won't be great.

Diffusion models instead are trained to generate a "denoising" step of the image. Typically they have some inputs (e.g. the owl sketch in the blog post and an embedding of your textual request), start either from pure noise or from a noisy version of an input image, and then repeatedly slightly modify it in anywhere between 4 and 100 (or more) steps (hyperparameter to be chosen, and also depends if you start from noise or from something non-pure-noise), each time making a version that the model believes to be a bit closer to where you want to get. The underlying model _could_ be similar to the language model, but I think it isn't, because (1) if you want to call it 100 times in 4 seconds it must be smaller and dedicated, and (2) it's trained to do _exactly_ that, i.e. remove 1/100th of the noise, no more, no less. So it must be a dedicated one.

A few years ago people did research on "one shot" methods (earliest were GANs of course, but also some autoregressive model like a multimodal LLM directly), but as far as I know, quality has always stayed well behind diffusion models. It was faster, though, not more expensive.

armcat 3 hours ago||
If you know how an LLM could have an output image head, that is purely generative without using diffusion, and not a classification/selection head, I’m really interested in learning more. I think you are onto something very new and novel here
rawoke083600 7 hours ago||
Lol honestly i like chatgpt image function.

I also take it for what it is, incredible none determinstic engineering.

That being said, i always feels a bit of sympathy for "the machine" when they say things like:

- Oh it horrible to use

- It changed everything instead of the one thing i asked (probably biggest misconceptions and misunderstood technical part among my none-techie friends).

I've heard the "reason" from my non-techie friends "oh 'they' do that on purpose ! So you have to upgrade.

Ive once or twice had the non-deterministic discussion with them.. but dont think explained it very well.

Either way for all its warts etc i still find Ai-images extremely useful, as someone that before couldnt really produce any visual-assets.

pointlessone 7 hours ago||
I don’t care for image gen, but I appreciate that they drew the rest of the owl.
DeliCheese 10 hours ago||
Thats why it became completely incompetent today trying to generate an image! I love half baked "test it in production" updates...
alexpadula 13 hours ago|
I really don't like this generative AI. I may look at it like an artist but completed generated software, writing, music and imagery is a robbery of human worth. Absolutely.
iamgopal 13 hours ago|
Generative AI is created by human worth.
alexpadula 12 hours ago|||
No, it's created by data scanned from the internet, books and fed to the models. How is that a good thing for anyone? I'd love your take. People spend years giving themselves value to others to live a life of worth and value.
ion_trapper 12 hours ago||
The data just scanned itself and organized itself into an neural network? Would be an awesome display of bootstrapped intelligence if that happened! Sadly, it was the result of decades of human research.
creata 4 hours ago|||
Decades of human research and mountains of work used without permission. Not that they legally did or didn't need that permission, but ethically, kind of a dick move.
alexpadula 12 hours ago|||
Yep, that's the sad part.
pizzafeelsright 10 hours ago|||
Human wealth? Humans, some, are worth more than others, per birth rates and varying investments by institutions.
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