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Posted by pretext 3 hours ago

Baidu released ERNIE 5.5 Flash Base(ernie.baidu.com)
89 points | 39 comments
txrx0000 1 hour ago|
Brilliant! Base model releases are exactly what we need right now. This is the reliable way to do alignment. Releasing the base model then letting everyone on the planet do whatever they want with it is probably what ends up preventing extreme value drift through the intelligence explosion. Millions of people would try to align these base models in their own way, and we'll probably all fail, but those models would drift in different directions so their actions cancel eachother out in the real world. The end result is alignment to humanity's average objective function, at the civilization level. It's a messy but very surefire way to align.

There will still be a different kind of value drift from increasing intelligence itself, but that's unavoidable no matter what we do. Releasing open models slows that down too because it discourages investment in future training runs. And this strategy works unilaterally without cooperation - every open model release slows it down by a little bit. This is the actual way to pace the frontier unlike the regulatory capture stunts Anthropic and OpenAI are attempting while pontificating about their moral superiority.

stingraycharles 49 minutes ago||
So, what exactly can a base model do? Is this like the pre-reasoning models that just autocompleted, without any alignment, reasoning, etc optimizations?
teshier-A 24 minutes ago||
I am not sure to follow, why couldn't the vast majority of uses of this base model be nefarious/selfish?

Isn't it like saying "let's give infinite power to all humans on the planet, nothing can go wrong since they define what is humanity" ?

bguberfain 18 minutes ago||
Anyone suggest a framework to further train this model on a multi-node cluster with infiniband? NeMo Framework? "Plain" HF TRL+Accelerate? Opinionated suggestions are welcome.
speedping 2 hours ago||
ERNIE feels old, like BERT. They either need a rebrand or fully embrace retro-dawn-of-ML vibes
rwmj 1 hour ago||
Very old .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premium_Bonds#ERNIE
lofties 2 hours ago|||
BERT models are still amazing for what they do. Even the latest JEV/KEV/SEV/BEV/REV/TREV models can't beat a well-trained BERT.
throwaw12 1 hour ago||
do you have examples of open weight BERT models from hugging face which are trained for specific use cases?
NSUserDefaults 2 hours ago|||
I'd try DONALD for sure, if I wanted to kill a project.
yehoshuapw 2 hours ago|||
Make AI Great Again?
selectodude 2 hours ago||
SI*
pezezin 8 minutes ago|||
Yes?
Gigachad 22 minutes ago||||
Lake Intelligence
throwaw12 1 hour ago|||
Trump just realised that he can't use MAGA for Making SI Great Again, probably giving an executive order to reverse SI to AI again, to be able to claim Make AI Great Again
swingboy 1 hour ago||
I am PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE that SI will be America’s 51st STATE and will be RENAMED to “American Intelligence”! Thank you for your attention to this matter!
locknitpicker 1 hour ago||||
> I'd try DONALD for sure, if I wanted to kill a project.

The current version is threatening to veto all my prompts.

rob74 1 hour ago|||
...and when it makes a mistake, it blames anything or anyone else but itself, or insists that what it did is perfect the way it is and that it's still the smartest model in the world?
whoanoway 1 hour ago|||
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ahoka 2 hours ago|||
But they didn't give a DONALD.
josh-wrale 1 hour ago||
Bert and Ernie. Ring a bell? Sesame Street
A_D_E_P_T 3 hours ago||
This is awesome. ERNIE seems more powerful than Qwen3.8-27B and Deepseek-v4-Flash, which AFAIK are currently the best base models... it'll be very interesting to experiment with when it hits OpenCode. Base models are also excellent for businesses who run models locally, as they can be trained in various house rules and house styles.
input_sh 2 hours ago||
They're comparing it to Deepseek-v4-Flash, not 4.1 and not the 4.1 1017 update, so essentially two versions behind the latest version of Deepseek Flash.
Tepix 1 hour ago|||
DeepSeek 4.1 Flash is twice the size of this and difficult to run locally. Makes more sense to compare it to DS4F.
irthomasthomas 2 hours ago||
Qwen3.8-27B has no base model version in the wild that I can see?
speedgoose 1 hour ago|||
Isn’t the latest Qwen 3 public base model… Qwen 3?
A_D_E_P_T 1 hour ago|||
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karahime 1 hour ago||
Absolutely glad to see the release of a base model, I think the trend away from that has been an issue for the field.
Tepix 1 hour ago||
That's an interesting size, it will fit into 2x128GB at decent (≥4bpw) quantization.
tonyhart7 3 minutes ago||
chinnese model slop
roryirvine 2 hours ago||
Am I the only one to feel sad that the name means "Enhanced Representation through kNowledge IntEgration", rather than being a homage to a very famous 1950s random number generator?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premium_Bonds#ERNIE

jojogeo 2 hours ago||
For me I see ERNIE as BERT's long time friend and room mate.

How do I look Ernie? ... with your eyes, Bert.

cubefox 2 hours ago||
It's a homage to BERT (Bidirectional Encoder Representations from Transformers), Google's influential 2018 Transformer model that wasn't autoregressive. https://arxiv.org/abs/1810.04805v2
weijiejason119 3 hours ago||
anyone tried this? is it good?
spwa4 2 hours ago|
It's not instruction finetuned, so no, it's not good to use for anything like coding agents.
haunter 2 hours ago|
OT

dropped is the worst word in this context because it can both mean ‘released’ or ‘terminated/ended’

Baidu dropped ERNIE 5.5 Flash Base = Baidu released a new version of their software

Baidu dropped ERNIE 5.5 Flash Base = Baidu ended the support of their software

swiftcoder 2 hours ago||
I think in contemporary parlance this sufficiently clear. Nobody thought massdrop was where you went to buy end-of-life products.
szundi 1 hour ago||
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