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Posted by rubatuga 2 days ago

The Hackintosh Reborn(www.naut.ca)
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Kuyawa 2 days ago|
Interesting. If it can be installed in any cheapo mini-pc this definitely would be a game changer for macos penetration in under developed economies
RunSet 2 days ago|
If macOS has to compete apples-to-apples it will likely lose to Linux.
solyin 2 days ago||
It's maybe minor but the three features that keep me on macOS address iMessage integration with my iPhone, clipboard sharing with my iPhone, and seamless projection to my Apple TV as mirrored or an external monitor.
dadoum 2 days ago||
For substitutes I guess you could use Tether [0]

But if you want the true deals on Linux, I am working on that personally [1]. For clipboard sharing, it should be feasible on Linux if you have AirDrop compatible Wi-Fi hardware, but for iMessage integration, it's possible given Mac hardware identifiers. Apple requires attestations derived from Apple device identifiers to flag spam on iMessage. It would be great if Apple was also allowing deriving keys from the Apple account, so it can allow alternate device to borrow trust from their iPhone for example, but for now it does not seem possible (extracting identifiers once works though, and then you can use iMessage [2]). About Apple TV, idk I never seen this thing irl so I can't tell how that works but I'd guess it's replicable.

[0]: https://github.com/zackb/tether

[1]: notably in https://tangled.org/dadoum.zone/apple-crates but I also have more private crates implementing a kind of userland.

[2]: https://openbubbles.app/quickstart.html

grishka 2 days ago||
> the feat of running macOS on non-Apple hardware, and has a history dating back to the late 1980s

Wait, so people were somehow running macOS on non-Apple PowerPC machines? I've always assumed that hackintosh is specifically about IBM PC compatibles.

jasomill 2 days ago||
There were no PowerPC Macs in the '80s. Running Mac software on non-Apple 68k machines was a thing, though[1].

Apple itself also had a project, started in the late '80s, to port the Mac OS to x86[2].

Incidentally, PowerPC Mac OSes, especially later pre-OS X OSes like Mac OS 9.x, run quite well today on vanilla QEMU, no hacking required.

[1] https://www.atarimagazines.com/startv3n6/mac_pc_on_st.html

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_project

ChrisRR 2 days ago||
Including non-PowerPC machines with PowerPC daughter cards
xaduha 2 days ago||
I think he's underselling Qemu/KVM side of things, quick search shows that Tahoe works for instance. It was always a better route for this, going back to patching kexts isn't an improvement in my book. I'm sure near-native performance should be possible on ARM machines.
bearjaws 2 days ago||
Such a throw back, I built a hackintosh back in x86 days and had it mostly working for a year, but of course tried to apply an update (10.08 I think?) and it blew up.

Ended up selling the hardware to some guy who insisted he would get it working and I am sure it was possible, but I pretty much switched to using Mac after that as I loved the dev experience.

testing22321 2 days ago||
I ran OS X on a Dell mini 9 for two years while travelling. Other than sleep, it was excellent.
vasac 2 days ago|||
Things got much better with OpenCore. Sometimes you had to tweak a few extra settings, but generally you could update it just like a regular Mac. Point updates worked especially well.
ne8il 2 days ago||
I had OSX running on an old school flip-screen HP tablet/laptop combo with touchscreen support. It was bulky but cool to use as a drawing tablet in the pre-iPad days. You did need to have a paper clip inserted into two holes of the VGA port for it to work, and I don't think it handled sleep very well. But still a fun project.
MiroslavPokorny 1 day ago||
Today with Mac laptops being probably the nicest laptops around, why not just buy the real thing ?
varispeed 2 days ago||
This explosion of "hacking" is interesting. Like wow I can run X on Y or wow I decompiled Z and I can add feature A and B.

So there is this wow factor, but really we just enjoy mathematic transformations on a greater scale than we used to have just few years ago.

My guess is that the legal system will catch up with it, but also people will get bored.

Like, I can run macOS on thinkpad! Great! but ultimately this is a crap hardware in comparison to Mac. Will it have backdoors, will it be stable? Who will maintain it? and so on.

For me, that's meh.

platevoltage 2 days ago||
There are years of precedent. Mackintosh has been a thing for a while already, and the community has always made big efforts to stay off of Apple's radar.
bigyabai 2 days ago|||
I triple booted macOS on my Thinkpad specifically because my Macbook had one of the worst keyboards I had ever used.

For the brief period where Apple refused to sell you non-Butterfly keyboards, it was one of the best ways to use macOS.

varispeed 2 days ago||
Interesting. I have a few Thinkpads and I hate their keyboards with passion, but I could type on my Mac for days. I guess each to their own.
bigyabai 2 days ago||
The travel on my Macbook's Butterfly keyboard was like typing on concrete. Even with a light keystroke, it became a source of physical discomfort for day-to-day work. Add in the Touch Bar, and it was quite literally impossible to touch type on that machine.

The modern Lenovo keyboards aren't perfect, but they're comfortable for desktop-esque use. Plus, I prefer the arrow cluster with pgup/pgdn nearby so I don't have to reach for the function key every time. It's also nice to be able to buy a replacement on Ebay for $20, too.

alt227 2 days ago||
> we saw Apple release the first ARM-based Mac in 2021

Refreshing to hear it called its proper name instead of Apples marketing terminology.

simondotau 2 days ago|
There's nothing improper about calling it Apple Silicon. Yes, the chips have ARM-based CPU cores, but those cores are designed by Apple, not Arm, and they're only one part of the overall A-series and M-series designs.

Apple, by the way, was a co-founder of Arm and helped develop ARM processors for use in the Apple Newton. Its early work on making ARM CPUs highly power efficient paved the way for their now-widespread adoption in mobile devices. There's some irony in how a part of the Apple Newton reverberates throughout the industry today.

ChrisRR 2 days ago|||
Yes and no. Apple was a co founder when ARM was spun off from Acorn and the ARM processor already existed for 5 years.

Acorn supplied the engineers, VLSI supplied the manufacturing, Apple supplied the money

simondotau 2 days ago||
Fair, but that money is a linchpin. Having the vision to see a commercial application and the will to fund its development into a real product is equally pivotal to the bringing about of a thing —- even if we engineers sometimes struggle to see it that way.
alt227 2 days ago||
Apples investment track record in the 90s differs with your opinion that they were future seeing oracles who brought pre-ordained projects into existence. Hell they even sold their shares in ARM 5 years later, so they obviously didnt think that much of it.

https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/high-tech-gadg...

simondotau 1 day ago||
It was a victim of being associated with a failed product line and a failed corporate era. Baby with the bathwater, so to speak.
alt227 2 days ago|||
Typical 90s Apple, short sighted and not seeing the wood for the trees.

If they had kept their stake instead of selling it off they would own the majority of the entire computing world by now.

simondotau 1 day ago||
There’s no chance ARM would be where it is now if it was under Apple’s thumb for a decade. Being hungry and scrappy is sometimes a good thing.
brink 2 days ago||
Love how they're calling the privilege of running Apple's buggy and clunky interface operating system a "glimmer of hope".
nohillside 2 days ago||
> As much as we lament the cost of AI, there are some glimmers of hope: you just might be able to have your hardware and own it too.

Didn’t you omit the “by relying on a technology which is built on far-reaching copyright violations and significant ecological impact” part here?

andai 2 days ago|
I don't get it. ARM macOS can run on other hardware now, because... computers are magic now?
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