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Posted by lacieargyle 2 days ago

What do the next 4000 emoji look like?(jenniferdaniel.substack.com)
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theendisney 1 day ago|
So many useless symbols but no feed icon.
jimbobimbo 1 day ago||
Still no diaper emoji. :(
amelius 16 hours ago||
It's really stupid we're leaving the definition of emoji to a consortium. This is like language by committee. Instead, we should have custom embeddable inline svg images that you can put in a personal library, and share with others.

The best example in support of this is the cotton swab that we didn't have a symbol for during covid, and everybody was using a golf club [facepalm emoji here]

xyzsparetimexyz 16 hours ago||
I just use hanzi instead, personally.

You are amazing 火火火火

avazhi 16 hours ago||
Everything I’ve ever heard, seen, or learned about emoji has been against my will.
kelseyfrog 3 hours ago|
Why not adjust your will?
Pxtl 19 hours ago||
- Small and large monospaced modifiers for all characters for columnar layouts in a font-agnostic way.

- Non-suspicious eyes emoji. You know it looks suspicious but people use it to say "I'm looking at it".

- Yogurt cup emoji

- More button emojis for like warning [!] and question mark [?]. We have red X and Checkmark but what about warnings and infos? The emoji for warning and question aren't available in button form.

n_plus_1_acc 19 hours ago|
I just want the rest of the superscript letters and the "external link" symbol
Pxtl 16 hours ago||
Also subscript but yes.
syngrog66 1 day ago||
I have precisely 0 use for the emoji which already exist.
avazhi 16 hours ago|
Genuinely.

It’s funny, you can go look at the point at which Apple started touting emoji additions to their different OS updates and it coincides perfectly with the decline and staleness of their software ecosystem more generally. Not even the TikTok generation cares about emoji as much as you’d think they do based on how much effort and attention goes into emoji and documenting emoji changes (like with this submission).

Emoji could disappear entirely tomorrow and nothing of value would be lost.

bbor 1 day ago||
Pretty good writeup! Missing some very fun details, though, which is normally fine but... well, the final paragraph is just hard to stomach. If that's not Claude I'll eat my hat.

Regardless, let's discuss the real issue here: Hacker News should support emojis, and it's goddamn ridiculous that it strips them! Like the hatred of markdown, this is a relic from an older tiem kept around for no good reason; either the three (quite well-meaning) mods are in some Eternal-Eternal-September neurosis, or the owner of this public forum is and they don't bother pushing back. Regardless: boo :( / DX<

EDIT: I now realize that this "pretty good writeup" is by one of the people in charge of Emojis, and thus just made some aggressive editorial decisions. Leaving this comment up to remind others to check the Substack's author before commenting!

groceryheist 1 day ago||
Funny. This writing has such a strong voice and literary quality my reaction was to think "I'm more sure a human crafted this writing than of anything else I've ready today".
frogulis 1 day ago|||
I agree. I'm deeply ill with detect-the-claudlish-itis and this mercifully did not set off my detectors.

Incidentally, I wondered if this was going to be "I asked AI to generate the next 4000 emoji", and was pleasantly surprised to find some joyous, snacky linguistics content.

deathanatos 1 day ago|||
> Take a sentence as volatile as "I'm going to kill you." Standalone, I’m calling 9-1-1. Tack on a loudly of ryongface like, “I'm going to kill you ” and now we’re both laughing. Add a wink and blood rushes to my face, you flirt. One tiny pictograph completely changes the legal classification of the message.

What in the hallucinogens are we talking about here? On the one hand, this is off the rails, in a way that feels AI, on the other hand, the only reference to "ryongface" out there seems to be this article. Even if I think that word could be corrected to … literally anything? … the rest isn't going to make much sense: "I'm going to kill you [winking emoji] — ha ha you flirt"¹ — seriously what?

¹(Still quoting the article, here.)

Animats 1 day ago||
> Take a sentence as volatile as "I'm going to kill you." Standalone, I’m calling 9-1-1.

Had to do that once, pre-emoji. I have a domain in .com which is also a domain in .co.uk. That's owned by one of the famous British "public" (i.e. private boarding) schools. I used to have a catchall email address for that domain, and once in a while I'd get student emails, which I'd return with a note about why the right TLD matters.

One day, I got a student-to-student email "I am going to kill you tonight." No indication of humor. This was shortly after the Columbine massacre. I couldn't ignore it.

I'm in California, and the message was from the UK, where it was late at night. I had some trouble getting the right phone number, but after a while I was on the phone with the very British headmistress of the school, who'd clearly been awakened for this. Once I read her the message, she was thoroughly annoyed, but not at me. She recognized the student's name. It was made clear that someone was going to have a Very Bad Day. "He's only 12", she said.

If that message had come from a US school, there probably would have been a SWAT callout.

alehlopeh 1 day ago||
Presumably you could’ve just forwarded the email to the intended recipient.
AnonC 1 day ago|||
> Regardless, let's discuss the real issue here: Hacker News should support emojis, and it's goddamn ridiculous that it strips them! Like the hatred of markdown, this is a relic from an older tiem kept around for no good reason; either the three (quite well-meaning) mods are in some Eternal-Eternal-September neurosis, or the owner of this public forum is and they don't bother pushing back. Regardless: boo :( / DX<

I agree. The lack of emojis on HN is an issue (for me).

matkoniecz 1 day ago||
> Regardless, let's discuss the real issue here: Hacker News should support emoji

it should not, in my opinion

solyin 1 day ago||
Depends on the emoji. Unicode covers a lot. Some of it is frivolous and distracting, not that there's anything wrong with that, imo. Some of it, like ♠ or ⬅ or 哥哥 or the degree symbol ° is important for meaning in a certain context, and not frivolous at all. most are stripped out. it is left as an exercise for the reader to work out which ones aren't.
matkoniecz 1 day ago||
♠ or ⬅ or ° are not emoji, right?
ryanisnan 1 day ago||
I mean, why can't you just add another 4000? Search in emoji list works well enough.
O_H_E 1 day ago|
ime those phone keyboard search features are in dire need for some semantic search feature. When my mind happens to search with a synonym that is not included in the underlying description of the emoji, I fail to find what I'm looking for.

Edit: hmmm it seems actually to be more of a problem with the symbols that are constructed by combining two emojis with a zerowidth char. Like the heart on fire one.

deathanatos 1 day ago||
> Edit: hmmm it seems actually to be more of a problem with the symbols that are constructed by combining two emojis with a zerowidth char. Like the heart on fire one.

Both "heart" and "fire" match that emoji for me on multiple IMEs (GBoard, IBus).

kmoser 1 day ago|
One obvious missing modifier is the ability to animate them. There are a gazillion possibilities here, from the simple (slowly rotating or pulsing) to the complex (morphing one emoji into another). Some apps already do this when showing a reaction emoji for the first time by "popping" them into view, but I predict the next generation will allow the user to apply their own simple animations. The key will be to prevent them from being too annoying, like the dreaded <blink> tag of yore.
lightingthedark 1 day ago|
Please no. We've already forced text systems to handle mixed directions, require combining multiple code points to make a single symbol, & display color pictures, let's not require animation to display a string correctly. We already have perfectly good systems for animation; don't stuff that into text rendering please.
Pxtl 19 hours ago||
If I was looking for new modifiers I'd look at the stuff people are already abusing unicode to do:

- Bold

- Italic

- Strikethrough

- Underline

- Subscript

- Superscript

- Fixed width

- Color

Arguably those should be HTML, but users obviously want them to be available in plain text, because they have the kind of semantic meaning that unicode was meant to handle.

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