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Posted by luispa 1 day ago

Devvm.dev: One VM for every project(devvm.dev)
179 points | 72 comments
photonios 23 hours ago|
I keep seeing projects like this pop up and they never nail it.

I need isolation, but I also need to give my agents secure access to internal package registries, logs, internal infra, designs, emulators, browsers, docs etc. At a large company, work can span dozens of repositories. And on top of that, I need dozens of these.

I built this at work. Engineers use krunkit VMs with proper memory ballooning, GPU acceleration. Retina RDP, credential injecting proxy for etc.

This seems like a fun toy for single project development, but nothing close to what you need as an engineer in a corporate environment.

appstorelottery 7 hours ago||
I'm constantly blown away by the power that LLM's are giving us. I've been working on a self-improving agent for around six months - and over the past few weeks I used VM's to isolate the governance layer. Virtualization is - to me - a completely black art, and yet with the deepseek flash 4.1 model the agent itself has built it's own virtual machine launcher/manager on OSX and even managed to port it to windows (windows Home has very limited VM support). For all the negative excitement about LLM's, I'm just amazed how our capabilities are being extended as engineers and what's possible.
nilleb 13 hours ago|||
Hello! I am really interested in your advice on https://GitHub.com/nillebco/varda

Because it's not just VMs, but a lot more around credentials injection, egress, volumes, agents selection policies. I am quite sure also the memory ballooning and GPU acceleration can be fine tuned.

In advance, thank you very much for your feedback!

photonios 7 hours ago||
You got the right base, but it seems centered around single project/ticket work.

A lot of work me and my fellow engineers do spans weeks if not months, tens of code bases, tickets etc. Having longer lived sandboxes that cover N repos in which you can just let experiments exist, together with plans etc is a superpower.

wcoenen 10 hours ago|||
What is "Retina RDP"?
jonathanlydall 8 hours ago||
It’s an option on the Windows app (Microsoft’s own RDP client), connects at full retina resolution but while having the host being set to 200% UI scale, so that you get the crisp text and UI.
photonios 7 hours ago||
Yeap. That's it.
toyg 23 hours ago|||
I think this sort of thing can still be useful to smaller shops. I have a hobby project in this vein, and I know it will never make it big, but it's still a fun hamster wheel.
nullsanity 18 hours ago||
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jFriedensreich 1 day ago||
I see nothing this brings over smolvm machines. I did not use lima / krunkit outside colima but in colima it was just slow, had outdated devx and was unreliable compared to controlling every detail with an embedded vm library.
LeBit 1 day ago||
I also moved to smolvm.

That project is underrated.

I have built my agent harness around smolvm and it has been working wonderfully.

I have seen a single bug up to now (iirc you cannot take a snapshot from a machine you rehydrate from a pack) but found a workaround.

I think the only thing I would love a solution for is the ability to bind credentials even when you use tailscale. You cannot right now because the traffic goes through the tailscale interface.

Anyway. smolvm is simply amazing.

benatkin 1 day ago||
This is something that could run on top of smolvm, if the authors chose it, rather than Lima/QEMU. It both sets up virtual machines and what goes into them, letting you chooose toolchains and coding agents. smolvm doesn't provide dev tool setup within a vm, though it does point to images that already have toolchains and agents installed.
jFriedensreich 1 day ago||
smol supports docker so i can use any docker based toolchain setup i want and that is not tied to a new niche project
benatkin 23 hours ago||
Indeed, but this new niche project is trying to provide a streamlined setup. Upon closer inspection of the toolchains, for Node, Rust, Go, and Python, it shows that it tries to automatically configure them.

This sort of wrapping setup of VMs in a higher level project is encouraged by BinSquare, the creator of smol machines, as recently on X he has been touting its embeddability.

brkomir 1 day ago||
One of the fake recruiters contacted me on LikedIN for a Solidity dev role, with an assignment repo that came as a zip in DM. Everything looked fine since Finder only showed .sol files, but Finder doesn't show .git and other hidden folders by default. However .git was there, and it had a hook that ran eval() on a remote address on commit/push.

As I read it, .git protection stops the VM from changing hooks, and --clone leaves the hook behind since a clone doesn't copy hooks. However, the hook is still in the folder on the host. Does devvm inspect and warn when a folder already has hooks before you start?

lukax 5 hours ago|
You should never extract the zip locally. You unzip it in the VM.
mnahkies 1 day ago||
Damn, I've been building something very similar the past few weeks - haven't quite gotten to a public release yet.

Mines based on libvirt and uses cloud-init for creating the images, with shared golden images across projects.

Skimming your docs it wasn't totally clear to me if your images are built per project, or COW from shared toolchains.

Looks like you have a few features in there that I might take some inspiration from though, eg the proxying stuff.

Funny how many of us are trying to solve the same problem at the moment.

mnahkies 1 day ago||
One thing I'm struggling with at the moment which I may as well ask here.

Many of my projects use pnpm, which ideally uses hard links from a shared store of dependencies.

One of my goals is to reduce the disk overhead of VM based isolation, so I'd like a shared pnpm store across projects (and the same for maven, etc as well)

With https://virtio-fs.gitlab.io/ mounts, each mount inside the VM is a separate FS, and I can't hard link across them. I've tried playing around with ideas like bind mounting the directory structure from the host in a folder to have a single virtio-fs mount inside the VM - but the bind mounts still can't be hard linked across it seems.

I'm basically wondering if I'm missing something or just trying to do something that isn't possible.

All the host folders are on the same FS - but I don't want to organise the host system around the VM mounting needs, and I also don't want to mount extraneous directories into the VM (eg: simple solution could be just mount ~/projects but kinda self defeating)

(Fedora workstation host)

genxy 22 hours ago|||
Use a host fs that supports CoW.
vindex10 1 day ago|||
add me as well. I learned about incus from HN ~a month ago, and was poking an idea of having a "development base image". The advantage compared to containers, is that you can hot-plug devices to the running instance: mounts, secrets, etc. incus also supports --vm and container mode with minimal difference in cli commands.

https://linuxcontainers.org/incus/

my main bottleneck was exactly in usability: how to make it least effort to spin up per use case and keep the set of operating scripts small - i didn't want to build an app for this, just shortcuts to use existing app.

evertheylen 1 day ago|||
Add me to the list, although I use podman containers (https://github.com/evertheylen/probox). I find that the hard part is not restricting the container/VM, but to make it "easy" to do things in the container that require something protected. How will you commit? Where does your agent run, and can it access github? How will you deploy? How will you SSH to a server?

Happy to hear what other people are thinking. It seems like putting an intercepting HTTP proxy is getting popular in other projects.

zenoprax 15 hours ago|||
I usually commit outside the sandbox. Agents will see the git history and will emulate that but they can't sign the commits. If I authorize a series of commits I can just `git rebase -i HEAD~N` and adjust the messages and re-sign at the same time. With git hooks as a threat vector I'm considering just giving them read-only access to `.git` otherwise I can't safely go back in there without the sandbox.

I don't give it access to GH - it can read most things via API or web scraping fast enough and I manually run the commands I need outside the sandbox.

No need for SSH - it's running locally.

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Given how many holes you're poking into the container I think you'd be better served with a real VM.

mr_mitm 1 day ago||||
It feels like a fundamental problem. The more you restrict the agents, the less useful they become. The less you restrict them, the more dangerous they become.
evertheylen 1 day ago|||
It makes sense, but a good system where you can say "give this VM access to repo X, branch Y, and server Z for the next 4 hours" without leaking any secrets into the VM would be a major improvement already.
hollerith 1 day ago||||
Human coders and sys admins routinely make catastrophic mistakes, too, so it's not like we're facing a novel problem.
mnahkies 1 day ago||||
On the git access part, I don't let my agent VMs have write access to GitHub currently. I do give them dedicated users on a self hosted gitea instance, and basically manage the blast radius through branch protection etc.

I think at a high level I'm trying to treat them as junior/intern employees where I give them enough permission to do their role, but not enough rope to hang themselves.

evertheylen 1 day ago||
I see. But then I have to debug some failing CI pipeline and the agent is quite good at going through the logs, so I give in and `gh auth login` anyway...
mnahkies 23 hours ago||
I'm pretty sure you don't need to give it full access to accomplish that. It's possible to create scoped PAT etc. alternatively use a separate account. Ultimately your risk tolerance to decide
lukax 1 day ago|||
You can have a separate GitHub account for your agent (GitHub ToS actually allows that since April) and that account can fork your repo and open PRs. This way it cannot do any real damage but can still push.

See this user for example: https://github.com/filippo-agent

CharlieDigital 23 hours ago||

    > GitHub ToS actually allows that since April
Do you have more background on this? My team actually ran into some issues with GH when we tried this earlier this year (felt like it was around that same time).
lukax 21 hours ago||
https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/github-terms/github-t...

3. Account Requirements

We have a few simple rules for Accounts on GitHub's Service.

You must be a human to create an Account. Accounts registered by "bots" or other automated methods are not permitted. We do permit machine accounts:

A machine account is an Account set up by an individual human who accepts the Terms on behalf of the Account, provides a valid email address, and is responsible for its actions. A machine account is used exclusively for performing automated tasks. Multiple users may direct the actions of a machine account, but the owner of the Account is ultimately responsible for the machine's actions. You may maintain no more than one free machine account in addition to your free Personal Account.

One person or legal entity may maintain no more than one free Account (if you choose to control a machine account as well, that's fine, but it can only be used for running a machine).

mr_mitm 1 day ago|||
Somebody shared this in another thread: https://pleasedonotescape.com/

I guess they can add all the sibling comments to the list, as well as mine: https://github.com/AdrianVollmer/Agent-Sandbox

(Python, Podman, Squid for network filtering)

knowaveragejoe 17 hours ago||
It's a neat snapshot at the time it was creates but it's getting out of date.
aforwardslash 23 hours ago|||
Also been working on something similar, with qemu/kvm; the idea is to sandbox agents and limit resource usage per project. Its not production-ready yet, but the repo is public - https://github.com/blackshieldpt/catchpen
dofm 19 hours ago|||
> Mines based on libvirt and uses cloud-init for creating the images, with shared golden images across projects.

This sounds good. Cloud-init is still worth the time, I think (as I just said in another comment)

sigbottle 1 day ago|||
Add me to the list lmao. It seems like this is pretty popular among folks
sparsesignal 1 day ago|||
Ha, add me to the list. I built one with libvirt and cloud-init too, mostly focused on network containment (private/host networks are blocked) and VM hardening. There's also a check command that runs nmap from inside the VM to verify nothing private is reachable.

https://github.com/ertug/kvm-sandbox

mnahkies 1 day ago||
Heh, yeah also very similar. I don't strip devices like you are - I actually want the memory balloon functionality for example.

My working threat model for my projects is less about "malicious agent trys to escape VM" and more "well meaning agent got confused and screwed up" - the added protection of a VM is desirable, and it's useful for stuff like nested virtualization (agent working on improving the VM orchestration), makes containers inside the sandbox straightforward

I hadn't seen the stuff about filtering spoofed packets so I'll probably add that.

omani 16 hours ago||
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sdevonoes 1 day ago||
I tried to develop an electron app this way; ubuntu VM (using qemu/multipass) on macos as host with Intellij IDEA. Couldnt make it work properly. Sure, I can install all the toolchain in the VM, and Intellij would recognize it (they have a “remote dev” setup), but for instance for electron apps you cannot just run a headless vm, and there is no convinient way to make a change in your mac, hot reload in the VM, and interact with the electron app in your mac.
passive 1 day ago||
It's probably a fine project, but the instructions are like "trust this thing, give us your login" , which still gets alarm bells ringing in my head pretty fast.
AntonyGarand 1 day ago||
How does it compare to existing similar products?

`sbx`, safehouse and the like

uncharted9 4 hours ago|
There are lots of projects once I started searching around this project isolation for vibe coding. There is https://github.com/smol-machines/smolvm and https://github.com/clawkwork/clawk too.

I'm unsure how to differentiate between all these projects

gregwebs 1 day ago||
This looks quite similar to docker sandbox (sbx). It uses Lima for VMs under the hood. Windows advertised as not supported (Lima is missing features on Windows).

Like Docker Sandbox this meets what I think should be our standards in the AI age: kernel isolation and secret shielding in addition to network and disk isolation.

I have been working on a similar project because I haven't seen one before that to me didn't have security design deficiencies. This project looks to have made good design decisions around security.

The things that are design choices for these tools are

  * agent integration
  * docker image composition
  * are vms more persistent or throw away
  * managing configuration
It does look like it has some design decisions that are optimal for convenience but might lead to inflexibility. It assumes 1 VM per directory. It is trying to auto-detect what someone needs in an image and provide well integrated images and tools out of the box but I don't see how to just provide my own image.
thehamkercat 1 day ago||
fyi, docker sandbox is CLOSED SOURCE, in the year of our lord 2026

https://github.com/docker/sbx-releases

mnahkies 1 day ago||
I missed the one directory part, I'd definitely recommend making that more flexible. With my equivalent of this I often mount multiple repositories into a single VM, two examples:

- a bunch of gitops repos: terraform mono repo, argocd-esk conf repo, grafana provisioning repo, etc.

- frontend + backend repo (tbh may merge these to a mono-repo, but here we are)

I think the auto detection is interesting, but tbh with my solution I've been happy with just install all the tools regardless of what a specific project needs - with a COW base layer this is cheap.

cliche 22 hours ago||
I made something like this at work as a way to spin up multiple dev stacks on the same project. It’s docker based though so not the best isolation.

The problem i having is more workflow related. AI is doing the dev so fast I constantly need to validate different versions and change sets of an app. Git worktrees work for isolating the agents changes but doesn’t solve running multiple instances of a dev server and remembering which one applies to which agent session.

The solution I came up with was throw the code and all tools in a container git branch. Then run a reverse proxy to get <mybranch>.localhost style urls working.

Would be interested to give something like this a shot if it also solves those workflow issues.

tuananh 7 hours ago|
i just tried this idea today https://github.com/tuananh/fastvm

microvm. build from dockerfile. vm will be paused if idle but can still receive request by waking themselves when a packet arrives — with the frame already queued in the guest's own virtio-net path.

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