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Posted by pretext 5 hours ago

Democrats launching congressional investigations into SpaceXAI, META and Apple(www.washingtonpost.com)
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freeone3000 4 hours ago|
Prosecute the one accepting the bribes, not the one giving it. Working with law enforcement is... uh, not a crime, definitionally. So you've got to make it so that law enforcement cannot be criminal. Own goals all over.
piva00 4 hours ago||
Both are crimes, and it's made pretty clear by the compliance training I have to retake every year at my corp job. If a corporation has to train employees to not give bribes because we can go to jail, and the corp will be on the hook as well, then they will likely also be prosecuted.

Both sides are wrong on this, giving or accepting.

smallmancontrov 4 hours ago|||
No, giving a bribe is not "working with law enforcement." These are two different things.
ajuc 4 hours ago|||
Giving bribes is "definitionally" a crime.

But more than that - giving bribes is fucking over people who cannot afford to give bribes so they are treated unfairly.

So not only it's a crime - it's also morally evil.

samrus 4 hours ago|||
Obviously you have to prosecute the ones giving bribes as well. What a ludicrously entitled position
rsynnott 1 hour ago||
> Prosecute the one accepting the bribes, not the one giving it.

... Wait, what? You prosecute _both_.

> Working with law enforcement is... uh, not a crime, definitionally.

The "just following orders" defence is, fairly, notoriously, weak. "Just following requests" is presumably even weaker. If you assist law enforcement in doing something illegal, you shouldn't assume that you're magically in the clear.

pupppet 3 hours ago||
Did these guys think Republicans would be in power forever?
nunez 2 hours ago||
> "That statement is very simple, I said, ‘Vote for me, you’re not gonna have to do it ever again,’” Trump told Ingraham. “It’s true, because we have to get the vote out. Christians are not known as a big voting group, they don’t vote. And I’m explaining that to them. You never vote. This time, vote. I’ll straighten out the country, you won’t have to vote any more, I won’t need your vote any more, you can go back to not voting.” [^0]

[^0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/dona...

rsynnott 1 hour ago||
They possibly thought that the democrats might go for the "all forgotten, we're all friends now, right?" approach. Which wouldn't be a _crazy_ thing to think, because it's pretty much what happened in 2020.
ks2048 4 hours ago||
Arresting Tim Cook for bribery would send a message. Why else would Apple Pay for an inauguration ceremony or for a white house ballroom or a golden plaque gift?
carabiner 3 hours ago||
This is kind of insane when you realize 80% of their employees are democrats even if their executives pal around with trump. I am crying tears of joy for this overall.
gamblor956 4 hours ago||
"If Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) becomes the House minority leader, he may bring his reputation for partisan oversight to proceedings to counter Democratic machinations."

Good luck with that Mr. Jordan. The House minority leader doesn't have the power to issue congressional summons, and there is a 0% chance that the Democrats will allow him to take any committee assignment that would put him in such a position (and even his own party didn't trust him enough to put him in charge of anything important after it was revealed that as a coach at OSU he knew about the sexual abuse of minors and student athletes for decades and did nothing about it).

howunfortunate 4 hours ago||
The pivot from "we just want single payer healthcare" sure happened a lot quicker than I expected.

https://x.com/search?q=Subpeonas&src=typed_query

smallmancontrov 3 hours ago|
You'd think the Party of Law and Order would be OK with holding their elected representatives to the most basic of laws. Things like "don't solicit, accept, and brag about taking bribes on public TV." But I guess not.

You had every chance to fix this yourself. In Trump's first term, in between terms, and again in his second term. But it appears you are incapable of self-imposed accountability. Now it's our turn to enforce the law.

howunfortunate 3 hours ago||
I think lawfare is bad on both sides.

Will you have the consistency to say it's good on both sides? Will you support deporting Ilhan Omar, for example? I highly doubt it. You're just another partisan, and we all live in Brazil now where an election means locking up your opponents.

smallmancontrov 3 hours ago||
No, you don't think lawfare is bad on both sides, you think the most blatant fraudsters in history should be above the law.
howunfortunate 3 hours ago||
You may be right about some people but are wrong about me. Trump is shameful and should have been held to account by Republicans, long long ago.

No treatment of him by Democrats will be seen as remotely fair (and be honest, it won't be remotely fair), and only makes us progressively into more of a shithole country.

Not to mention, half of the lawfare that's being proposed is against Elon, who is abrasive but legally a far cry from Trump. It's just lawfare.

Edit: and it's too bad to see I was right about you!

smallmancontrov 3 hours ago||
> and be honest, it won't be remotely fair

No, you're not being honest. The consistent failing of Democratic attempts to enforce the law is having too limp a wrist. Being too meticulous, forming too much bipartisan consensus, giving too much opportunity for "delay until it goes away." All the way from Jerome Powell through the Epstein investigation to the Jan 6 prosecution.

If that changes -- and to be clear, I hope it does -- it will be a dramatic departure from trend.

howunfortunate 2 hours ago||
I literally laughed out loud.

You live in a dream world.

smallmancontrov 34 minutes ago||
No examples. Coward!
loeg 4 hours ago||
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conn10mfan 4 hours ago||
there is actual criminality here. they are pursuing accountability. musk shut down federal investigations into his operations while at DOGE. at the very least picking these investigations back up would plain old accountability, and if he's innocent he has nothing to worry about. However, since those have been closed, he has committed other acts, like shutting down starlink in Ukraine to assist a russian bombing campaign, that likely constitute crimes, perhaps even treason.
93po 2 hours ago|||
"musk shut down federal investigations into his operations while at DOGE"

there is absolutely nothing even remotely true about this. please focus on his real issues like being responsible for the deaths of 14 million people instead of making things up

cryptoegorophy 4 hours ago|||
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conn10mfan 4 hours ago|||
when you say that the war would have been over sooner, what do you mean?

Do you mean that Russia could have more easily conquered Ukraine thereby bringing about the end of the war?

bigyabai 3 hours ago|||
Starshield exists specifically for this. The US loses money for every Starshield satellite that orbits on-station without any allies using it. It is a literal waste of taxpayer money not giving Ukraine access.
JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago|||
SpaceX may have committed treason under Musk. Meta and Apple may have paid bribes. This is real criminality. Nobody is going after folks for tweeting or even privately donating.
thriving_earthw 4 hours ago|||
If your political enemies have committed crimes they should be held accountable for them
loeg 4 hours ago||||
Should your political enemies be selectively prosecuted, though?
JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago|||
> Should your political enemies be selectively prosecuted, though?

Congress doesn't have power to prosecute anyone.

That said, you're right. We should impeach Todd Blanche for selective prosecution.

0cf8612b2e1e 4 hours ago||||
There is only ever selective prosecution. The government rarely goes after jaywalkers, but they could.

The three listed companies are some of the biggest in the country. If you want to start somewhere, seems like a good place.

wasfgwp 4 hours ago||||
Depends. It’s not ideal but you have to start somewhere. Also if the other side starts playing dirty you have to step it up as well, doing something else is about as stupid as unilateral nuclear disarmament
conn10mfan 4 hours ago||||
no dipshit, he shut down federal investigations while leading doge. a private individual being given the ability to shut down investigations into his companies is clearly something that needs to be investigated

"we shouldn't persecute our political enemies" of course, but you are being obtuse if you think what happened to letitia james is similar to what is happening here. it's a bit different when he donates enough to take over the federal government to protect his businesses and secure contracts

smallmancontrov 4 hours ago||||
The party of law and order when it's time for the most blatant offenders to be held to the most basic of laws: nooooooo it's not faaaaaaaairrrrrrrr!!!!!!
MentalM 3 hours ago|||
> Should your political enemies be selectively prosecuted, though?

Obviously. How else they will understand that they should be your political allies and not the enemy?

Wouldn't that be amazing if Trump will be impeached for his 200 felonies and put in jail for the rest of his life? Along with all his allies who helped him to commit crimes and to avoid the responsibility. And the life sentence for Musk for treason and the other crimes he had committed.

And multi‑billion‑dollars fines for Zuck, Bezos, and others to show everybody that it is not okay to support the worst criminals alive just because they have won the election.

atmavatar 3 hours ago|||
Failing to prosecute government officials who break laws guarantees future criminal wrongdoing. There's a fairly strong argument that failing to impeach and imprison Nixon for his wrongdoing was a straight line to what's happening now under Trump.

The rule of law no longer exists when crimes are ignored in fear of the appearance of political retribution.

Holding people accountable and fixing the cracks in the system are the only way to ensure the Trump administration doesn't serve as a trial run for an even worse administration in the future.

The worst possible outcome would be for the Democrats to repeat their behavior under Biden and spend all their effort attempting to return to the status quo while pretending the Republican party won't try again the moment they regain power.

wasfgwp 4 hours ago||
So each election should wipe the slate clean? Anything illegal done under the previous administration should be automatically forgotten just in case someone might conflate doing anything about it with persecuting your political opponents.
AnimalMuppet 3 hours ago||
False dichotomy.

Trump was clearly into "vengeful prosecution" territory, at least with some of the people he told DOJ to go after. But "go after nobody" clearly isn't the answer either.

And when you go after someone, if you don't find enough to prosecute, let it go. None of this "try three times to find a case" stuff that Trump's DOJ did.

exabrial 4 hours ago||
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bryanlarsen 4 hours ago||
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
LeafItAlone 4 hours ago|||
I don’t think you’re in the right country for that to ever happen.

For one, what you consider “wasteful”, others might not.

Maybe consider being an entrepreneur and go start your own country?

pixl97 4 hours ago||
"I built my own country and it started to be successful and then gangsters took over, the neighboring countries got pissed and bombed us, we all starved because farmers grew more profitable drugs than food but countries wouldn't import to us because we were sanctioned, and then bears finished us off because we didn't deal with the trash and they got out of control" --Libertarian paradise.
gamblor956 4 hours ago|||
You'll love Ethiopia. They have no meaningful federal government to speak of right now.

Of course, you'll end up paying most of your income as tribute to the various warlords, but they won't be taxes! They'll be "payments in lieu of death."

Or, you could live in the real world and pay taxes because they enable things like...preventing warlords. Also unimportant things like roads and police and clean running water.

trollbridge 4 hours ago|||
... Ethiopia? Huh?

There's a civil war going on right now with various rebel groups, but overall they certainly do have a federal government. They have an income tax rate around 30% plus a VAT of 15%.

carabiner 4 hours ago|||
Have you consider Somalia?
jdale27 4 hours ago||
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samrus 4 hours ago||
This is extremely bad faith. The government has to tackle alot of problems. And corruption has been a huge one
pixl97 4 hours ago|||
Yea, the fact someone doesn't understand how corruption can massively increase costs for everyone is odd to me. It's like the number one way to decrease trust in the government and allow bad actors to screw over society in general.
jdale27 3 hours ago||
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Jtsummers 3 hours ago||
> I already have zero trust in government due to the kind of corruption that DOGE was going after. But the Democrats shut that down.

DOGE never actually went after corruption, though, and only idiots ever believed that was their intention. They said they were pursuing savings by finding fraud, waste, and abuse and then ignored one of the biggest sources of all three: The DOD.

And then the Republicans decided that the remarkably efficient and perennially audit failing Pentagon should get an extra half trillion dollars. Largely to pursue contracts with companies owned by Musk, Thiel, Lucky, and other Trump inner circle types.

And how, by the way, did Democrats shutdown DOGE? Republican president, Republican Senate, Republican House. They controlled everything they needed to to continue operating DOGE. DOGE is squarely a Republican failure to do anything useful.

nxm 4 hours ago||||
Will corruption of government spending on welfare and Medicaid be investigated?
smallmancontrov 3 hours ago|||
Trump has already pardoned the following Medicare/Medicaid fraudsters:

    Dirtbag           USD in Medicare/Medicaid Fraud
    --------------    -----------------
    Philip Esformes   $1300M
    Judigeth Negron   $ 205M
    Lawrence Duran    $ 205M
    Daniela Gozes     $  50M
    Simon Melgen      $  42M
    John Davis        $   4M
and I bet he could pardon many more for a small fee.
JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago|||
If Trump keeps dropping the ball on it, yes, the Congress will have to take that on as well. He’s supposed to be running the executive.
smallmancontrov 3 hours ago|||
Yes, it's a bad faith question, but also easy to answer because the bar is on the floor: start by getting Trump out of Iran.
jdale27 3 hours ago||
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smallmancontrov 3 hours ago|||
How will it block that? (Nice edit, btw)
krapp 3 hours ago|||
coward.
Jtsummers 3 hours ago||
Cowards like them are why I quote comments. They claimed that Democrats (not in power at the time) blocked DOGE and that DOGE was actually going after corruption, both lies. Then they deleted it when called out.
krapp 1 hour ago||
I didn't even think there were still DOGE shills in the wild.

Comments like that should be preserved for their historical value alone, it's like seeing the photo of the last known thylacine.

Geeek 4 hours ago|||
These two were but a part of what the Dems ran on. The explicitly also ran to stop the insane corruption by Trump and team.
squidmaster 4 hours ago||
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youtmommy666 4 hours ago|
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