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Posted by infwhispers 12 hours ago

Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member classifier(8rank.ai)
522 points | 309 commentspage 4
cite_please 4 hours ago|
This isn’t even LLM, it’s just anti-reader noise. HN needs to filter this stuff out going forward.
classified 1 hour ago||
This gives a whole new dimension to the notion that we're carrying spy software in our pockets all day long.
masonwan 4 hours ago||
And Apple wants to sell us Privacy as feature. Isn't this a big red flag?
WesolyKubeczek 7 hours ago||
“Protected by the Full Disk Access permission”

Which of course we developers give to our tools and terminal emulators so they are not annoying to use! One npm install away from mining this sweet data via a postinstall script!

wat10000 2 hours ago||
I like how there are all these worries about privacy, and then the conclusion is to download some random software, give it access to this entire database, and throw it into an LLM API too while you're at it.
sneak 3 hours ago||
Previously discussed in 2023: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37521306
willmadden 8 hours ago||
Articles like this make me rethink my politics. I now think software tech monopolies need some 1950's style broadcast TV level regulation.
SoftTalker 3 hours ago||
The problem is that most people don't know it's happening. If, when you first set up your Mac, you were asked "Do you want the OS to construct a social profile about you to help with ... (list of features)" and you could say yes or no.

When you do that, it's quite hard for it not to sound creepy. And most people would probably say no.

But I don't think it should be prohibited by regulation. Some people might want it, or genuinely find it useful.

sufficientsoup 5 hours ago||
Why the downvotes on this? Wish people would leave comments
BatchJob 4 hours ago||
Stop using Macs. Its pretty easy to switch to linux.
rbn3 9 hours ago||
this violates GDPR in so many ways, jeez

do i see that right - the data is unencrypted, the profile is built by an undocumented background profiler without consent or an option of opting out, it is consumed by cloud connected platforms like siri and apple intelligence and ANY application on my mac can access it?

fschuett 8 hours ago|
Yeah I could see that it correlated my WhatsApp calls with real person names (i.e. de-anonymizing WhatsApp), inferred my race based on face clusters (illegal under AI act), built a co-appearance network ("who stands beside whom in photos"), etc. etc.

None of this shit is legal, but the laws are toothless anyway: Apple can get "fined" a couple million and that's it. The fallout from the press would be a harder hit for them.

conartist6 11 hours ago|
I'm going to be very angry if my mac turns out to be doing this
infwhispers 10 hours ago|
We also created a tool to inspect your graph: https://github.com/8rank/iKnow Only tested on recent MacOS versions (last 26s, and early 27s), though
veonik 10 hours ago|||
Works on Sequoia too fwiw
infwhispers 10 hours ago|||
Ack. For what I could see, specific tables are added / removed across versions. So, some information might not be visualized (e.g., the graph is tiny with few nodes).
sunaookami 10 hours ago|||
Also works on Sonoma.
ectoloph 6 hours ago||||
This is really interesting and it seems to work on 27.2.

You might want to prune some of the descriptions though, as a lot of them are very Claude and hard to follow.

iamtedd 7 hours ago||||
> Viz. Apple IntelligencePlatform store

Why did you abbreviate 'visualise'? You're not running up against a character limit.

Hamuko 10 hours ago|||
>iKnow is fully LLM-generated and may not be 100% accurate.

"We" sounds pretty damn generous if you don't even know whether it works.

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