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Posted by user_7832 5 hours ago

Apple’s grey list: Words and phrases your iPhone won’t help you spell(www.theguardian.com)
246 points | 156 commentspage 4
fantasizr 4 hours ago|
funny to think about the guy who thinks his keyboard is broken because he uses so many slurs day to day. the volume of words seems a touch excessive
deadbabe 2 hours ago||
Censorship like this isn’t really decided to by one particular person or team of people deciding what to censor.

It’s mostly automated, controversial phrases or topics are detected by analyzing various data sources and getting sentiment analysis from interactions that people have in response. Anything that causes overwhelming polarization or negative reactions or meets other criteria gets blocked. There is no agenda.

noitpmeder 4 hours ago||
How the hell can they defend banning “Trayvon Martin” of all things. Are they now the arbiters responsible for quashing social movements?

This is an _insane_ lever for censorship. Does Israel pay them to omit “the occupied territories”? Is that internal Apple policy irrespective of nation state pressure?

It's not just madness that these exist, but that they are hidden, unexposed to the user, and have no justification or rationale.

nsoam 4 hours ago||
Interestingly, I didn’t know who that was so I used the “Look up” feature and it said it was a “Murdered” person, but in the Wikipedia entry it says the shooter was acquitted - ie the victim was not found to have been murdered.

I wonder where that summary came from?

eesmith 1 hour ago|||
Acquitted means that the jury did not find the evidence persuasive enough to decide guilt for the charged person for the charged crime. It does not mean the victim was not found to have been murdered. Juries don't decide that.

Otherwise there would not be things like "List of unsolved murders (2000–present)". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_murders_(2000...

bdhe 3 hours ago|||
You really didn't know who that was, but had to look into the Wikipedia entry in detail enough to read about a jury decision and then frame it in a different way than written in Wikipedia (which rightly talks about the judicial process related to specific charges brought against Zimmerman, not an absolute statement of facts, such as "victim was not found to have been murdered").

I'm flagging that this doesn't sound like a good faith discussion. The green account raises my priors.

Note that I'm not suggesting that Apple's policy on censorship is good, quite the contrary.

bbg2401 4 hours ago||
It’s neither censorship nor banning. It’s simply not autocompleted.
noitpmeder 4 hours ago|||
This is exactly censorship via omission. What could possibly be the intent here other than to discourage use of these phrases across wide swaths of the population.
jerf 4 hours ago||
Making it so they aren't in the pool of errors that can be made. I want to be able to type swear words, but I don't want profanity to come out when I try to swipe "duck". Socially, emotionally, and politically loaded phrases make sense to require a bit more care for.

That is a general answer to your question. It is not a specific defense of the particular word list in question. But I can say I've been surprised a few times about what I accidentally swiped on Android. Bitch isn't swipable but I have "bitchiest" readily available, for instance.

Jtarii 3 hours ago|||
Then have "child friendly mode" be an option and the adults can have "fuck" back. This isn't a difficult design problem.

This is just the type of thing that makes everyone hate modern technology.

hocusPokeUs 3 hours ago||
Look at all the armchair tough guys crying like children over the slightest whiff of behavior that goes against all these sweatshop child labor exploiting first worlders list of speculative harms.

How adult of you to die on this hill of all hills.

As global COL rises due to Americans hands off political approach the world watches as yall bitch about iPhone keyboards.

That is why people hate modern technology; the people in the industry are out of touch coddled first worlders lacking perspective.

noitpmeder 4 hours ago|||
I get "fuck" and "duck". I don't get "the occupied territories", "the Hamas movement", and "Trayvon Martin".
sigmar 4 hours ago||||
>It's simply not autocompleted.

Inaccurate. According to swipeblocked.com it is blocked with both swiping and autocomplete.

akersten 4 hours ago|||
We're not censoring the book. It's simply not on the shelves. You can ask for it by name if you like. You have to spell it out exactly though, or else the librarian will deny any knowledge of it.
drdexebtjl 4 hours ago||
Skip the article.

Swipeblocked: The phrases your iPhone won't suggest

https://swipeblocked.com/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50394070

krater23 4 hours ago||
When you ask me, thats a kind of good. When I see how people use autocorrect and autocomplete without thinking, I wouldn't wonder when someone is put into jail because a sentence that he never planned to type but send it without knowing because autocorrect has changed it. This feature protects people that mindlessly use autocorrect/complete from jail, bad discussions with their employer or political correct 'friends'.
m3kw9 2 hours ago||
if apple suggest it, they predict gov't would come at them anyways. So they just preempt all that.
ChrisArchitect 3 hours ago||
Related:

Apple's predictive text restrictions include 'Dictator Trump' and 'Sleepy Joe'

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50391486

I dumped Apple's word list

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50357782

waltbosz 3 hours ago|
> a brief glitch in which users of the dictation feature saw the name “Trump” flash across their screen when they spoke the word “racist” into their iPhones

"Glitch" more like "Easter egg" I suspect.

There was an emoji search/copy-paste web site that I use when I need to find an emoji. Once upon a time, when you typed "Trump" into the search, one of the results was the poop emoji. It no longer returns that, but it does return the Russian flag.

tehjoker 2 hours ago||
Ah yet another "nudge" type behavioral psychology intervention. I'd say these technology companies should be strictly regulated, but they're doing Uncle Sam's propaganda so I doubt that alone would help.

It would be nice certain companies could be chartered by the U.N. I think it would be much more difficult for them to do evil stuff if the majority of states had to agree on their charter. Not that there isn't a subset of things that all states want that sucks ass, but it's much less.

-_- 28 minutes ago||
Researcher behind this project here! What I find really interesting here is how of these phrases are something that no one would type by accident. For instance, "Baghdad by the bay" or "iMessage isn't working". And the suppression extends beyond autocomplete/autocorrect to swipe typing. That's why I don't buy Apple's comment that this is just about avoiding inappropriate suggestions.

Some blocked phrases are quite arbitrary: Australia, India, Kenya, Nepal, Pakistan, and the US are the only countries you can't say are bad or poor. Trayvon Martin is the only full name you can't write. You can call Putin, Biden, or Xi a dictator, but not Trump. In other languages, the suppression can be even worse.

And some are ridiculously overbroad: "is important" and "black woman" are blocked! When I try to swipe them, I get "is impotent" and "blank woman".

I think it's not totally unreasonable for a list like this to exist, at least for autocomplete, but it ought to be transparent so people can see the impact Apple's choices are having on our use of language. Individually it's a small nudge, but on the scale of billions of iPhones it can shape the discourse.

https://swipeblocked.com

analog8374 4 hours ago|
Do you enjoy the feeling of a stranger's fingers poking around in your brain? I sure don't. So don't buy Apple products.

For every trick you catch them at there are a thousand you didn't

creata 3 hours ago|
But what smartphone do I buy then?

If I want mainstream, my two other choices are Google and Samsung, and they are both even worse than Apple when it comes to "strangers poking around in your brain".

Should I give up on mainstream smartphones? Should I give up on smartphones entirely?

phyzome 3 hours ago||
Buy something Graphene-compatible, and use that.

Or yeah, just don't use a smartphone. I still don't.