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Posted by srean 4 hours ago

The end of Microsoft Research's AI Frontiers group(hunch.net)
https://archive.is/AaY5O

https://businessexaminer.ca/victoria-articles/item/microsoft...

249 points | 141 commentspage 3
zodwick 2 hours ago|
Not what i expected, but good read nonetheless
textwriter 2 hours ago||
Mr. S Altman just said almost all Startups will die within a couple years. This is sad.
AndrewKemendo 3 hours ago||
Well I never thought I’d see Digg used as a primary source

This is certainly an interesting timeline in this section of the light cone

antonvs 3 hours ago||
Real research at most big companies is dead. Unfortunately, what has replaced it is mostly venture-backed startups, where the timeline to a return is still expected to be quite short.

As a result, you end up with companies doing basic research under the guise of developing a product, announcing timelines which are never going to be met. Fusion energy and quantum computing startups are some of the most egregious examples of this.

linguae 2 hours ago||
Agreed. I used to be an industrial researcher at one of the last companies that didn’t require their researchers to think of short-term productization goals. However, things changed at my former company, and I ended up leaving for a tenure-track position at a community college.

I don’t know what industrial research in CS is like in the era of agentic coding. On one hand I suppose building prototypes is faster than ever, but on the other hand I genuinely don’t know how well LLMs do with harder programming tasks. It’s one thing to have an agent work on a CRUD app, but I wonder how effective agents are at handling things like parallelism, distributed computing, load-balancing, and other topics that are harder to write than the average CRUD app. I am also aware of efforts such as Sakana AI’s automated scientific discovery research, and I wonder if many of the incremental, short-term research topics many companies pursue can be automated.

I’m a bit pessimistic about the state of research these days, from funding to publish-or-perish to the effects of generative AI (automation, AI slop publications, AI slop reviews). Then again, I’m a bit of a curmudgeon, and maybe things are better than I think.

eurieidd 2 hours ago|||
There’s actually a bizarre irony.

Remember Bell labs, XEROX parc? Ask yourself why that existed and why research came out of them.

Monopoly.

So - many people don’t want to admit this but monopolies can be good from an R&D perspective, but without strong oversight by regulators - money will instead spent on R&D projects that specifically raise entry barriers.

soulofmischief 2 hours ago|||
I can show you many more examples of monopolies which did not produce PARC or Bell Labs than those which did. It's possible such research happened in spite of dominating the market, not because of it. Anyway, you cannot have both monopolies and strong regulators. These are incompatible situations. Monopolies occur because regulation doesn't exist or is captured.
jyrkesh 1 hour ago||
> Anyway, you cannot have both monopolies and strong regulators...

> Monopolies occur because regulation doesn't exist or is captured.

IMO, the stronger the regulator, the stronger the incentive to capture it.

Unless by "strong" you mean "competent"?

the__alchemist 3 hours ago||
I have been shorting most of the Quantum Computing startups for about a year. They have been printing. Missed out on Fusion! (?) These were one of few examples of the market leaving money on the table. Others examples have been Nikola. Usually the scammyiest companies don't IPO.
williamgators 2 hours ago||
Yay China!
outside1234 3 hours ago||
Microsoft is a really shitty place to work right now. There are a hundred stories like this all over the company like this.
rwmj 3 hours ago||
They've offered voluntary redundancy to a quite large proportion of the staff (a quarter?) so they'll also soon be losing anyone with employment prospects elsewhere.
vladkens 2 hours ago||
I see a lot of news about waves of layoffs in large tech companies. Is MS the only shitty place now? I think all of them are, maybe except OpenAI & Anthropic, since they're building something new and are kind of on the "good" side right now.
xondono 2 hours ago||
Something tells me the only “good thing” in those two companies is the pay.

They look more like complete organizational shit shows.

shevy-java 1 hour ago||
It seems as if Microsoft is losing developers now.

The whole "let's go into AI" is not really compatible with oldschool software jobs. AI drains humans dry.

I mean we are already seeing the hype cycle coming to a close, with the stock market showing this, but key people leaving kind of means that Microsoft is losing its profile here. Add to this that many don't like Win11 and you see a huge paradigm shift here - and tons of associated problems.

"In practice, there are substantial issues because the philosophy of the ex-Inflection leadership of MAI is incompatible."

AI is killing people here - not necessarily literally (though we have to see how much economic damage AI has caused) but figuratively speaking. The counter-wave is coming here.

srean 4 hours ago||
More here

https://archive.is/AaY5O

(Original https://hunch.net/?p=13764006 )

muglug 3 hours ago||
This should be the main link
srean 3 hours ago||
Almost inclined to agree, but the headline of Langford's post needs some additional context.
dang 2 hours ago|||
Ok let's put that link above!
arikrahman 2 hours ago|||
Appreciate this, much needed context.
pavlov 3 hours ago||
Hugged to death like it’s 2008 and you’ve just lit your LAMP stack.
srean 3 hours ago||
Thanks for the heads-up. I added an archive.is link to give it a breather.
belkinpower 3 hours ago||
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kvark 2 hours ago|
His complaints sound childish to me. If the research products were truly innovative and useful, he wouldn't need to force Microsoft to adopt them.
nocman 2 hours ago||
> If the research products were truly innovative and useful, he wouldn't need to force Microsoft to adopt them.

That's just patently not true. History is littered with products that were very innovative and useful (and often far superior to competing products), but were canned, bought by competetors, or shelved in other way - often because they threatened the profits being made by some entity (though that's not the only reason).

kaashif 2 hours ago|||
You think incumbent megacorps are all quick at adopting new, useful technologies?

Some are, some aren't. Some try, but botch it.

kvark 2 hours ago||
Autogen is open source. I don't know the availability of other projects. Generally engineers in megacorps aren't shy of picking up the latest AI tools. I suppose Microsoft may have barriers around this though, curious to discover more details.

Edit: Fara is open weight as well. Seems like a great match for https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-365/agents ?

citizenpaul 2 hours ago||
Yeah, I agree. What he describes reflects the exact challenges I've experienced literally everywhere. He is basically saying work/life is hard so he looking for a better playground. I do not know his contributions to AI so maybe he deserves to be better listened to but I find that never reflects corpo life.