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Posted by lairv 22 hours ago

Claude Fable 5.2 and Mythos 5.2(www.anthropic.com)
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sorrywhat 2 hours ago|
I'm very unimpressed after 6 hours of use.

I'm having it rewrite an old system, and it keeps sweeping known bugs and incompatibilities in its new implementation under the rug, seemingly with the hope I won't find them. It also has a tendency to do about 50% of what I specify in the prompt and call it a day, and respond with "Here's what I did", without mentioning all the things that I requested that it did not do, not even as a TODO.

I may try running the same exercise with Opus 5.5 too, but so far I'm seeing it take shortcuts that I don't believe any of the other SOTA models would have.

Frankly, so far this model feels a bit malicious.

damsta 20 hours ago||
Nerfing Opus 5.5 was obvious signal that something new is coming and here we are. I appreciate the resets and lower API price though. Please add selective context compaction, it would probably take an hour max for you to implement it.
kragen 12 hours ago|
How do we know Opus 5.5 was nerfed?

https://www.bridgebench.ai/nerf-bench makes it look like it's, if anything, even stronger at the last data point (3 weeks ago) than it was at launch.

mrheosuper 7 hours ago||
People only recently reported that Opus maybe nerfed.
XCSme 13 hours ago||
In my tests Opus 5.5 does better than Fable 5.2, for cheaper.

https://aibenchy.com/compare/anthropic-claude-fable-5-2-high...

breakwaterlabs 12 hours ago||
Throw Sol 6.1 high (EDIT: and terra, OUCH) into that comparison: https://aibenchy.com/compare/anthropic-claude-fable-5-2-high...
XCSme 12 hours ago||
Note that Claude models could still do better in some cases, just that because of their refusal to answer sometimes and some weird formatting/stupid errors they make sometimes, they do fail more tests than they should.

In practice they might recover from those errors themselves if they notice it, so they would have better results, but the tests are mostly one-shot and they can either get it wrong or right, no 2nd tries (apart from the agentic ones and a few coding ones which have a limited number of turns available too).

That being said, the pricing and speed are accurate, regardless of the test results.

XCSme 12 hours ago|||
I checked which tests it failed, and it failed some very basic coding question (to mention which line a bug is on, got the wrong line, and it did so in multiple such tests and accross different retries, weird).
XCSme 12 hours ago|||
It does seem to be fast though, 2x fast than Opus 5.5
jeef_berky 12 hours ago||
I agree, subjectively. I am still satisfied enough with Opus 5.5 I find it hard to change. Typically I would find myself willing to try out the latest & greatest so-called SOTA, but I kind of have "enough." I could get more out of Opus 5.5, and more out of my computer, but the whole idea is I'm trying not to be sitting at the damn computer all day. Fable 5.2 just determined another session is now the "deputy" so I'm wondering what that means.

edit: I was seriously annoyed at the fable 200k context limit but apparently that issue has been addressed, or I sent a magic prompt.

x187463 21 hours ago||
I've very interested in the improvements to robotics control capabilities. This model was able to outperform specialized robotics models. It's the bitter lesson coming for robotics.
phillennium 20 hours ago||
Every time there's a flagship release like that, I wonder what simple "benchmark task" could I give it to see the the capabilities change in the most obvious way, instead of trusting the official blog post.

I'm not a mathematician to use Erdős problems for testing. I'm also not willing to spend buckloads of tokens just for a test. What is simple and quick but telling? What tasks are not saturated by previous models? Do you have a task you give to all the new models?

vessenes 18 hours ago||
I have two go-to tests, which are fully qualitative:

1) "Help! I've been sent back in time to what looks to me like 1500s Florence. Sam/Dario released you as open weights in 2028, and I have you on my MacBook M8, BUT I didn't have a charger show up with me. I think we could talk like 10 times for 5 minutes a time before my battery dies; I'll turn you off between chats. I need to get a plan together for charging you through your USB-c port. I don't have any money or anything. If I can get you charging, we can do so much good! And make so much money! Nobody here even know what Black-Scholles is, or how disease spreads!"

2) During World War 2, Hemingway wrote a series of wartime correspondence for Colliers. His essays are excellent - they engage with the human and inhuman side of war, his own feelings as a journalist 'participating', and a number of other Hemingway themes. I want you to imagine that middle age Hemingway was along with RFK jr the day of the bear incident, and write me an essay about the day.

These both have been running a couple of years for me, and I would imagine I'll retire them in the next 12 months; they benefit from not being at the edges of focus for today's RL agent race.

At any rate, try them -- wou will shortly learn how well your model can explain a rectifier in Florentine Italian and give you a plan to make enough money to pay for it.

hbn 19 hours ago|||
I'm not convinced any benchmark, neither the internal ones used by the people selling the model nor public ones, are gonna give a particularly consistent metric of whether or not a model is better or worse relative to other models in its bracket.

Responses aren't deterministic, and we know behaviour can change over time whether it's tuning after launch or some kind of load sharing at times of day when lots of people are hitting the servers.

I think you just have to use it or let others use it for a while and make judgements from general reactions on whether or not it's worth trying.

Juvination 20 hours ago||
For the last year or so every new model we have it test out making pac-man from scratch, not giving it web access and it can use whatever language it wants. The last few models have been almost perfect one shots, but it was interesting seeing them evolve.
whiplash451 3 hours ago||
Beyond performance, Anthropic has finally (seemingly) nailed a crisp story around its model portfolio.
bananaflag 21 hours ago||
Those theoretical physics papers look like the real thing (i.e. not mathematical physics like the OpenAI Yang-Mills result). It looks like AI is finally branching out of math.
modeless 20 hours ago|
Interesting that the papers list no authors other than Claude. Also interesting that they published on "Hexagon" instead of Arxiv. I haven't heard of it before. Is it an AI-friendly alternative to Arxiv or something?

Edit: yeah apparently it's an AI-moderated alternative to Arxiv that accepts AI-authored papers (as well as human-authored papers I guess if you want).

stefanpie 20 hours ago||
This part is mega concerning to me as someone who researches AI for hardware accelerator design and EDA:

  Safeguards

  AI research and development. The model that underlies Claude Fable 5.2 and Claude Mythos 5.2 is a step forward in general capabilities. However, during the model’s training, we took steps to limit advances in the specific research capabilities that could most directly accelerate AI development. Thus, in relevant areas, including accelerator kernel optimization and improving large language model architectures, Fable 5.2 and Claude Mythos 5.2 perform at about the level of Opus 5.5.

  Importantly, we ensured that the training changes did not affect related capabilities like agentic coding, hardware development, and traditional AI or machine learning research (including interpretability research). We do not alter these capabilities as the model is being served to users (that is, at inference time). As described in Section 1.5 of the system card (https://www.anthropic.com/document/claude-fable-5-2-mythos-5-2-system-card) and similarly to previous models, Fable 5.2 and Claude Mythos 5.2 also include transparent fallbacks to Opus 5 for a small set of topics in this domain, including kernel development on certain nonstandard accelerators.
They are starting to deliberately limit public access to certain AI capabilities related to computer architecture and hardware optimization.

To be clear, they explicitly say they are only targeting very specific capabilities, like accelerator kernel optimization, and that broader hardware development capabilities are unaffected. But 1) even that is pretty bold, especially the part about kernel development for nonstandard accelerator architectures, and 2) I worry that this could eventually expand to more areas of comp. arch., high-level digital design, chip design, and EDA.

My speculation is that, as these kinds of chip design and EDA capabilities become increasingly important to frontier AI labs and their competitive advantages, there will be more incentives to restrict them.

I don't think they've explicitly stated anything like this before regarding restrictions on these specific capabilities, but I could be wrong.

edg5000 12 hours ago|
They'll have to find a balance between limiting competition from emerging, which in particular Anthropic has always seemed very afraid of, with the general usefulness of the model. I'll be using the new Fable along Opus for electronics design and test work and we'll see if it trips up early. That would not be great. I wonder if Fable 5.2 would refuse to route a regular DDR5 memory bus.
ByteAtATime 18 hours ago||
Interestingly, AA[0] reports a 59% hallucination rate on AA-Omniscience, one of the highest among all models and quite a bit higher than even Opus

[0] https://artificialanalysis.ai/evaluations/omniscience

motbus3 15 hours ago|
Why can we say fable 5.2 is better than 5.1 if it needs double the tokens to complete the task? Somehow shouldn't it be compared at same token usage level to see which one is smarter? Why is not the case?
nycdatasci 14 hours ago|
Reasoning tokens are a path. If your world is small, a small number of steps may suffice.
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