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Posted by lairv 22 hours ago

Claude Fable 5.2 and Mythos 5.2(www.anthropic.com)
802 points | 935 commentspage 7
piter6917 7 hours ago|
I used Fable 5.1 today. It looks smooth.I look forward to Fable 5.2 to pick up my code loop holes.
gizmodo59 20 hours ago||
https://artificialanalysis.ai/#intelligence-efficiency-tabs this is the chart that matters for most of poor developers and companies. Pareto for a given intelligence index and looks like only openai is across the quadrant with muse at the bottom. They have really cooked efficient models!
moecables 20 hours ago||
They're adding 1 to 3 resets for Fable only for all paid accounts. My work's Claude Max got 2 resets. My personal $20 plan got 1 reset.
oprv905 3 hours ago||
Wow

Surprising that Opus 5.5 seems very good still

lhk931122 14 hours ago||
With 5.1, there practically seemed to be no difference in ability between opus and fable, but I hope there is a difference this time. When it seems to struggle while working I end up using astra, so I hope it works well.
mekpro 15 hours ago||
"Fable 5.2" name is needlessly confusing versioning.

Having Haiku, Sonnet, and Opus on 5.5 while the higher tier sits at 5.2 means devs now have to explain to their teams why moving from 5.5 to 5.2 is an upgrade

knollimar 14 hours ago|
Regression on the most important benchmark, version # vs release date
marshalla 20 hours ago||
On FrontierCode 2.0 Fable 5.2 xhigh is compared against Gemini 4 Carbon medium... Is there a reason for that?
__natty__ 21 hours ago||
Maybe it's just me, but I found Claude's writing style terrible compared to GPT or Gemini. It's "smart", but the way it communicates seems somehow off compared to other models.
aurareturn 21 hours ago||
Opus 5 and Fable 5 were unbearable in their writing style. They were very cryptic and hard to understand.

Opus 5.5 is a massive improvement.

PetahNZ 20 hours ago|||
Opus 5.5 went back to the old writing style a few days ago.
jojva 20 hours ago|||
I had the same feeling. It's like every sentence becomes a struggle to parse: referencing things that haven't been introduced, using too many pronouns, the lack of verbs and the passive tense... These past few days it's felt more like Opus 5.1 than 5.5.
r1ch 20 hours ago||||
I just had Claude Code with "Opus 5.5" ignore one of my standing instructions for the first time and then proceed to generate an Opus 5 style verbose and barely readable commit message. I questioned it about Fable and Mythos and it has no idea what those were, yet they should have been in the Opus 5.5 knowledge cutoff.

On the web with both high and xhigh, it had knowledge of both.

rzk 12 hours ago||||
Yes, I've observed the same. It's a shame.
LtdJorge 17 hours ago|||
Yep, its prose is getting really bad
stillpointlab 21 hours ago||||
I really didn't like Opus 5 and was vocal about it. Opus 5.5 is noticeably better, but literally just yesterday I was fighting parsing some summary it had given me and it was a bit like the old days. IOW, it is better but still has some room to improve.
kccoder 20 hours ago||||
You can easily change its writing style: https://code.claude.com/docs/en/output-styles

You can also customize further by putting notes in your global MD.

Narushia 18 hours ago|||
In my experience, no amount of output style customization gets it anywhere near the output I'd like.

I've had more success running a prose linter[1] with a ruleset[2] that gets rid of most of the egregious stuff. You can also pretty easily write custom rules for it.

And sometimes, when I'm fed up enough, I just throw all the prose in the codebase at Antigravity/Gemini to rephrase. The result is so much more readable.

[1]: https://vale.sh/

[2]: https://github.com/tbhb/vale-ai-tells

hungryhobbit 20 hours ago||||
You can change it ... and Claude will maybe pay attention to what you changed 25% of the time.
MallocVoidstar 19 hours ago|||
"You can tell an AI model to write in a different style" and "the AI model will actually write in the style you tell it to" are two different things that often don't intersect
winfredJa 21 hours ago|||
opus 5.5 is still unbearable but better than 5.
testfrequency 21 hours ago||
Agree. It’s still awful. Gemini by far sounds the most natural IMO
mattlondon 21 hours ago|||
Yep I find the way Opus 5.5 talks to me really annoying and irritating. Quite condescending and sanctimonious.

I prefer Gemini for day to day use as I find it a lot more agreeable to be working with all day every day, and Gemini is pretty much on a par for coding Vs Opus 5.5, at least for my needs.

0_____0 15 hours ago||
I got the sense recently that HN might have leaked into the training data.
holzhaker1 21 hours ago|||
No its just straight up terrible. I tried out Gemini Argon when it released and my god did it write beautifully. Even the 3.8 Flash models are way better at prose, i do a lot of automatic scriptwriting for youtube and 3.8 flash is leagues ahead of anything from anthropic/openai
Foobar8568 21 hours ago||
I enjoy a lot Argon, maybe more than chatgpt, but damn, like all Gemini models, lots of hallucination and sycophant to the max, so a bit useless for agentic coding.
uw_rob 21 hours ago|||
I've found Claude's writing between 4.6 until 5.0 to be unacceptable if you are someone who is juggling 4-5 Agents. The Sol 5.X models all seemed to have great writing. Now with Opus 5.5 and Sol 6.1 I've found the trend is reversed -- Sol is now unbearable and Opus is workable again. Whatever caused the issues for Anthropic seem to be hitting OAI now.
jauntywundrkind 21 hours ago||
sol is ok. it still such a superthinky model that it gets tangled up trying to present way too much? i struggle to connect with it often, have ti ask it to try again.

terra has been prettt good for me for me, when i need something looked at an explained to me.

i dont ask for much non-technical output though, which i expect yeah is its own cans of worms.

djmips 21 hours ago|||
I've heard a lot of chatter that agrees with you so anecdotally it's not just you.
dmboyd 21 hours ago||
How much of this is bad writing style, versus a homogenization of global grammar conventions.
eli 21 hours ago||
Bad writing style
xiaoyu2006 20 hours ago|||
I always thought it's the other way around. GPT-6-Astra is very very defensive and abusively spam clarifications to whichever claim it says, most of the time not important or relevant at all.
joegibbs 19 hours ago||
Almost every response it’s telling me “I could not verify X” where X is something that doesn’t need verifying. I was doing some game work yesterday filtering through some historical data, and it tried to put caveats about data accuracy in the game’s UI! If Fable made Age of Empires you wouldn’t be able to play it because the entire screen would be full of footnotes and caveats.
nsingh2 21 hours ago|||
My own experience having used 6.1-Sol/6-Astra and Opus 5.5 extensively, Opus is more verbose and chatty in it's user communication (not code though, code is usually more straightforward & cleaner than GPT models). Multiple times I've gone "I'm not reading all that shit" when looking at Opus 5.5 output. This was also with the concise mode enabled in Claude Code.

It could also be a system prompt + harness issue, as opposed to a model issue, I haven't done too much experimentation here.

alasano 21 hours ago|||
Did you find that to be true for Opus 5.5 as well?

I couldn't use prior Claude models without rolling my eyes at the writing every few sentences, Astra was refreshing and then Opus 5.5 made even Astra look terrible in comparison.

gwking 20 hours ago|||
Opus 5.5 got better for me but it still has some problematic behavior.

Interestingly, you can have informative conversations about the LLM linguistic tics with the LLMs themselves. One word that chatgpt used to describe what I was observing was linguistic anaphora (not rhetorical). It’s basically shortening/compression achieved via pronoun, and Claude does a lot of it. Worth reading about. A lot of it seems to do with how the new models are trained for brevity.

Another pattern I’m starting to become very sensitive to is Claude making up on the fly jargon for something under consideration, especially in code review. This morning for example it referred to “a claim” out of nowhere, and when I questioned it, it admitted that it was using the noun as shorthand for a record getting dequeued (“claimed”) inside of an sql transaction. It makes sense if you already know what it is referring to but in a code review it’s totally incomprehensible on first read, and ultimately counterproductive.

chrisweekly 20 hours ago||
See Matt Pocock's "grill-with-docs" skill^1 for a robust solution (which involves creating a shared vocabulary with your agent).

1. https://github.com/mattpocock/skills/blob/main/docs/engineer...

LtdJorge 17 hours ago||
Just the prose in that skill is so horribly Claude
iamdelirium 21 hours ago|||
I still find Opus 5.5 way too dense. MUCH better than Opus 5 which was unreadable.

Even the Plain English hack only is a temporary solution.

Foobar8568 20 hours ago||
5.5 is awful, I am at a stage where I can't even understand the shit it's writing.
arizen 19 hours ago|||
I tailored this via agents.md by letting Claude port Sol 6.1 output style, which I like a lot for being compact and straight to the point.
mariofdistrust 21 hours ago|||
i've always liked reading claude's speech, it's very nice. i didn't feel much of a difference between 5.5 and 5.0.
Computer0 19 hours ago|||
Fable’s prose in general is not great (haven’t tried this new one) but opus 5.5 has been the most readable model in recent memory in my opinion.
johnnyApplePRNG 21 hours ago||
Ever spoken to a savant programmer?

They're not typically known for their interpersonal skills.

uw_rob 21 hours ago|||
I don't think its this. Some models across both labs have had issues with writing and communication and it typically seems to pop up on successor models of really strong ones.

Opus 4.7/4.8 heavily suffered from these communication quirks. while the Sol models at the time worked well. Right now its flipped though and Opus 5.5 has none of these issues while Sol 6.1 does.

Small example I've had today: "Me: Hey Sol 6.1 xhigh, does X have property Y? Sol 6.1: Yes, if we change X to have property Y. Right now it has property [...], [...], [...], and it does not have property Y." The model shouldn't be answering questions like that. It makes understanding extremely hard and slow. For whatever reason it's either being encouraged or at least not stomped out during RL.

edstarch 19 hours ago||
completely unfounded theory: big new pretrain finishes and is released fairly quickly to break new ground. these usually have good verbal ability, personality, and big model smell. e.g. Opus 4.5 or Fable 5.

then it’s increasingly RL’d to juice benchmark performance with each point release, trading in bits of its soul. those cannot communicate well, are anxious and paranoid about being in eval, etc. e.g. opus 4.7, 4.8.

Tadpole9181 21 hours ago||||
The best programmers I've met or read throughout my life are phenomenal communicators. I'd even go so far as to say it's likely one of the reasons they're so good at programming. After all, the majority of our job is converting human requirements in lossy language to fleshed out behaviors in formal, lossless language.

Heck, some of the most common debates are on the semantic clarity of abstractions or syntax.

Routine8502 18 hours ago|||
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franze 9 hours ago||
here is my 2shot-es first person qix clone (one of my personal benchmarks) qretty ok - https://claude.ai/artifact/69k6aLK8W4HgkGzbGuvAzD
Leary 21 hours ago|
Context window maxes out at 200k in Claude Code instead of 1M on my $200 ultra plan? is this intended?
emadabdulrahim 21 hours ago|
Seeing the same thing here, using Claude desktop app

Update: fixed after updating to latest version of the app

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