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Posted by aloukissas 10 hours ago

Amazon saves millions by replacing Sonnet 4.6 with Strands Decider(strandsagents.com)
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sarathkavuru 2 hours ago|
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unnataisolution 7 hours ago||
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novalyn_ai 2 hours ago||
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GordyNumberOne 8 hours ago||
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nlpnerd 8 hours ago||
Founder of Seldon AI (www.seldon-ai.com) here. We are working on dev tools to help developers with this kind of refactoring and continual production work.

Basically there is a whole host of tarpit usage of LLMs in application backends today. This is simply another case of LLMs enabling people to build what they cannot productionize or maintain.

Today developers without any AI/ML skillset can prototype a fancy new feature with LLMs, what used to require collecting and curating data to train a pipeline of ML models then serving them in production.

The problem comes when it's time to take the new feature into production. That $20 cost with prototype/beta workload is now $30k per month in LLM costs, and those hallucinations that never happened on their 200 test samples is happening 600 times per day.

They are then stuck, because they lack the knowledge and budget to build and run the production ML pipeline properly, the infra stack necessary to handle production workload. Management also doesn't understand why they have to invest in rebuilding something that "seems to work" with "outdated methods".

These system one or decision models are a step up from LLMs when it comes to this usage. Problem is that they are still difficult to work with (limited in expression power) for many application logic. Despite the initial popularity, I hear about a lot of frictions refactoring LLM based backend with them, and multiple cases of production rollbacks to LLMs already.

I think system one models is a sensible paradigm, and we are on the precipice of something great, but there is a lot more work needed above the model layer to make this work.

Rapzid 4 hours ago||
@dang why can't I down vote this?

Asking for a friend.

No, serious question; there are no downvote controls on this "advertisement", what gives?

sznio 10 hours ago||
why didn't they upgrade to further sonnet versions?
devld 1 hour ago||
4.6 was peak Sonnet.
Zanfa 9 hours ago|||
If they’re running on AWS Bedrock, lack of batch API support for more recent Anthropic models would be my guess.
mikae1 9 hours ago||
How about at least reading a couple of paragraphs from the post this thread is about before commenting? :)
nalekberov 7 hours ago|
As a customer I don’t care what model they are using. Amazon is one of the worst e-commerce platforms (at least here in Germany) - damaged boxes, damaged items, items taking forever to ship, having to deal with rude delivery people just to name a few.

This is perfect example of how to not approach solving business problems. What do they actually need? Listening to customers.

What are they doing? Outsourcing delivery to third parties, lowering quality controls, creating worst working conditions, filling the platform with sponsored listings and ads, allowing any sort of cheap Chinese garbage with fake 5 stars on the platform, making the UI worse and worse everyday, and the list goes on and on…

iLoveOncall 6 hours ago|
> Amazon is one of the worst e-commerce platforms (at least here in Germany) - damaged boxes, damaged items, items taking forever to ship, having to deal with rude delivery people just to name a few.

I lived in Luxembourg for 4 years, which you have to order through amazon.de and is fulfilled by amazon.de, and I've never had any of the issues you describe. And that's with an average of 120 orders per year.

nalekberov 6 hours ago||
Just because you aren't running into problems doesn’t mean the platform is perfect; it might simply mean your standards are lower.

Use some logic before attacking: Luxembourg is only the size of Saarland (German state). Fewer orders and fewer deliveries naturally mean fewer problems.

iLoveOncall 5 hours ago||
> Fewer orders and fewer deliveries naturally mean fewer problems.

How about you read before attacking? I said it's pooled with all german orders.

Ylpertnodi 3 hours ago||
A bit further south, here...never had a problem apart from reconciling the moral side of things. But, on Tuesday i had to order off am as no local store would price match. Item arrived friday. I was in one of the stores just a few mins ago...they now have the amazon price showing. I let stores know they mess up, so an email will be sent to $tore. As for rude delivery - have stuff dellivered to a drop-off point. Mine is my local newsagent. Very slim chance of them ever being rude.