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Posted by phaser 3 hours ago

Ableton Live 13(www.ableton.com)
130 points | 144 commentspage 3
jawns 2 hours ago|
If I were considering this as a Christmas gift for a 16-year-old who likes making things in Garage Band, would the Lite edition still be a step up, or should I more seriously consider the next level up?
adzm 1 hour ago||
If you buy them a midi keyboard or controller it will usually come with a lite or introductory license. The push is fun but a real keyboard feels special and the pads and sliders and knobs really make Live feel like a real instrument rather than just a piece of software

That said you do get a ton of cool stuff with the higher editions

A subscription to splice or other sample/preset libraries opens up a world of possibilities as well

Having the full edition also makes it possible to use more of the example projects and templates out there, and you can follow along with the tutorials from Mr Bill too!

asimovDev 2 hours ago|||
If they like Garage Band already, why not Logic Studio which is a “grown up” version of Garage Band?
zabriel_goss 1 hour ago||
I'd advocate for this as well. It's not hard to switch between DAWs, but if they are already familiar, they'll enjoy Logic.
bradreaves2 25 minutes ago||
I recommend GP just ask what kinds of things they might want. Or for a budding musician, a music store gift card would be really appreciated. I recommend Sweetwater (in the US.)

DAWs and MIDI controllers are sort of like keyboards, notebooks, or text editors. They all do the same things, but when they're your primary work surface little idiosyncrasies add up to flow-wrecking annoyances.

Lots of people love Logic, but I'm not one of them. It's not anything wrong with the product, it's just that Live clicks with my brain in a way that Logic doesn't. The Live interface has things arranged where I expect them to be. Logic hides everything in drawers.

That said, your teenager might be using Garage Band because they really like it, or they might use it because it's free and what they have. On the controller side, if they have experience with piano, they probably want a keyboard. If they don't, they might or might not want piano keys. If they do play piano, they will have preferences about key feel and size. My old piano muscle memory can't handle mini keyboards, for example.

throwa356262 2 hours ago|||
Lite is the "free" version, the first real edition is called "intro".

You get lite with hardware purchase or in some magazines.

https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/209775685-Get-a-L...

bfmalky 2 hours ago|||
I'd say Ableton lite is still a step up, and gives you familiarity with the Ableton interface, which means you are primed for using one of the bigger editions. However, if said 16-year-old does not currently have a midi keyboard / controller I would look at buying one that includes bundled Ableton Lite as the gift. Something from the Novation Launchkey range would fit the bill.

Ableton suite is amazing because of all the content you get with it (instruments, effects, samples), but lite comes with enough to get you going and you can always add vsts and samples from 3rd parties.

input_sh 2 hours ago|||
You don't usually purchase the Lite version, you get it with like a $50-100 worth of hardware from the likes of AKAI or Novation or whatever.

It has a hard limit of 8 tracks, Intro doubles that to 16, while Standard is the first version without limitations. Intro should be more than fine for most beginners.

6581 2 hours ago|||
Lite is far too limited and you can't buy it on its own anyway, it only comes included with various hardware. Intro is limited to 16 tracks, Garage Band to 32 tracks. There's various other limitations too. Ableton has generous educational pricing though (50% off).
vectordust 2 hours ago|||
+1 to the other recommendations to get them Standard, Intro is pretty limited for an "upgrade" (coming from a daily user of Suite).
bxvvgd 1 hour ago||
rutracker.net
AaronAPU 1 hour ago||
Finally ARA-2 support!

I’m working on two ARA-2 plugins so this is a small bit of good news.

elliotdickison 1 hour ago||
website crashed my iphone - took two reboots to recover
vectordust 2 hours ago||
As a daily user of Ableton, I'm pretty excited about this. Especially the Capture Automation/Step Sequencer/Multiband rack types.

I'm not a fan boy of any companies or tools, but Live has continued to impress me with each release.

IAmGraydon 1 hour ago||
Instant buy for me as I’ve been an Ableton user for something like 20 years and can’t imagine a better environment for making music.
colkassad 23 minutes ago|
Probably my favorite piece of software, ever.
Jtarii 2 hours ago||
extremely badly made website
Fervicus 50 minutes ago||
Ableton Live might be great, but that's a terrible webpage.
KUBOMI 58 minutes ago||
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TobiasJacob 2 hours ago||
I'm almost a little bit disappointed agentic editing didn't find it's way into Ableton yet.
vectordust 2 hours ago||
I'm personally glad to see they didn't add anything AI. Suno already exists for that market, IMO.
jleehn 2 hours ago|||
Can you elaborate on the AI powered workflow(s) you'd like to see in Ableton? As a creative I'm quite averse to AI integration in tools like this but as a technology enthusiast I do see a future where AI can be employed here for efficiency without compromising creative integrity.
prollings 2 hours ago|||
opposite feeling here.
te_chris 2 hours ago|||
There's a JS SDK which would probably be enough to DIY it
hsuduebc2 2 hours ago||
Is there even any such software?
insanetake 1 hour ago|||
Ardour (https://ardour.org/) has an MCP server.
syntaxers 2 hours ago||||
The most recent release of Logic Pro has an Intelligent Assistant and also Splice released a new DAW called Splice Create that is agent-native.
fragmede 2 hours ago|||
Yes. http://Tonos.music is the one I've been working on. Timber is a competitor that got $5m in funding from Adobe.

We seek to complement the user by giving them access to a mix and master engineer, not replacing them like with Suno. We've got a booth at MONO sf this weekend at the Midway in SF, come find us! if you're on the fence, email me for a promo code to the conference!

bryceneal 1 hour ago||
How would you compare it to something like Landr or Ozone for mastering?

The problem I have with the AI mastering is it seems to be a bit clumsy with making the master fit the song. A lot of these tools just have simple buttons like "low, medium high", and seem to default to really squashing the dynamics to achieve maximum loudness. I have worked with both human mastering engineers and AI mastering, and I would say a decent human mastering engineer is noticeably better at feeling out the songs and finding the right balance.

fragmede 1 hour ago||
We're focusing more on the mix down part as that's more objective and less subjective and Landr/Ozone already exist so we're not starting off specializing in mastering. With additional time/funding what I'd like to build is the ability to let the user specify a specific reference track and not just an artist for the AI to use as a reference.

To your question though, it's a chatbot so tell it you want your track to sound like eg Polo and Pan, it'll look for ways to enhance it in their style rather than a simple small/medium/large knob. It'll load one of the built-in mastering chains and tweak the settings on those, or if you have a preference, you can tell it that too.

m00dy 2 hours ago|
I can easily clone this software in a week.
dkdbejwi383 2 hours ago||
Go on then. If it's that easy, do it, sell it for 1/10th of the cost and make millions.
grvdrm 1 hour ago|||
Not my creation but have a look: https://seditiondaw.com/ - in browser Ableton "clone"
hmokiguess 2 hours ago||
Waiting on your Show HN then or larping