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Posted by robertjfclarke 7 hours ago

Starlink Mini 2(starlink.com)
235 points | 245 comments
rmm 5 hours ago|
This has completely changed my industry (hard rock mining). A lot of the time drillers would be in the middle of nowhere looking for resources and would be sometimes days away from providing results (which also lead to lots of dodgy situations where drillers would know some results before market…) now it’s instant live feed. It’s made revising drilling plans trivial. Very cool
King-Aaron 1 hour ago||
Also in mining - Iron Ore - and yeah they are an absolute game changer in our remote sites.

I've got deep concerns about the politics side of the company, and the future implications of them being able to decide where and who gets coverage. But from a technology perspective it's doing things I didn't really think were possible a decade ago. Having signal in the bottom of the pit, or way out the back of the Pilbara is just crazy.

jknoepfler 23 minutes ago||
did your industry not have access to satellite radio/internet prior to this for some reason? I was working on "cloud connectivity for remote mining sites" at least twelve years ago, and we were late to enter the market.
dannyw 5 minutes ago||
A decade ago, you’d be looking at 2mbps under good conditions, significant outages and reliability issues, and paying $50 to $100 per gigabyte.
porphyra 40 minutes ago||
They should totally sell a foldable solar panel for the ultimate offgrid set-it-and-forget-it internet solution.
madaxe_again 21 minutes ago|
Insufficiently spacex. It should have an RTG.
noodlesUK 6 hours ago||
I want so badly for starlink to offer a sensible well priced self-service B2B offering with fleet management. Any kind of fixed, high bandwidth IoT device that currently has a SIM card could easily use a starlink. As it stands SMBs who want this have to screw around with residential starlink and live in fear that they’ll get banned.
sq_ 6 hours ago||
Not sure if this would cover the use cases you're thinking of, but they have significantly improved management for business customers in the past year or so.

Last year, you couldn't get API access at all unless you went through one of their distributors or spent $1M+/year on Starlink, but now you can use the API [0] as a normal business customer. It's got pretty good telemetry and management features.

[0] https://starlink.readme.io/docs/getting-started

bottlepalm 6 hours ago|||
https://starlink.com/business ?
hugmynutus 5 hours ago||
Starlink 'Business' and 'Enterprise' plans are fundamentally different [1]. 1M/yr spend to qualify [1]. A lot of features you expect [3] are not included in normal business plans (or are exclusive to certain units). The segmentation is strange as offering this as 'up-sell' is 100% businesses would pay for. You don't have to take my word on it, as there is a validated market of 'resellers' [2] where you functionally join the reseller's enterprise plan. Paying the 'reseller' a tax to gain access to features starlink fully supports, but simply will not 'sell' to smaller customers, through the reseller's API gateway. It is absurd.

1. https://starlink.com/en-cw/support/article/babe863c-25ec-9df...

2. Peedcast, Marlink, or Peplink

3. where is my ground station, defer updates to a ground station, de/re-activate a ground station remotely, pool usage for all ground stations, remote reboot, all traffic is through a corporate VPN, bound multiple ground stations automatically.

the-chitmonger 5 hours ago||
Wow, I really thought there'd be some kind of piecemeal offering that businesses could pay for, but it looks like the most Starlink offers is a flat rate for more data if you burn through your current usage allotment.
rafski123 5 hours ago|||
SIM? What other provider are you thinking will Starlink allow in their network?
joezydeco 5 hours ago||
My company has been trying to get T-Mobile to return our calls for nearly a year now regarding any information on their promised IoT solution. Nothing so far.

https://www.t-mobile.com/business/solutions/iot/connectivity...

giancarlostoro 48 minutes ago||
I could be wrong, but I remember T-Mobile used to have an IoT page that actually led you to a place to order the SIM cards, my guess is they've discontinued it?
dzhiurgis 5 hours ago|||
A reasonably priced routing via satellite links is my dream. I work from NZ on various Salesforce projects (aka enterprise web apps). Ping is usually 200ms or so to the US. Laser interlinks could possibly cut that in half.
flanz_10 6 hours ago||
Funnily enough, that's on Amazon's LEO feature roadmap.
FishAngular12 6 hours ago||
That's awesome, imagine taking it with you on a Cruise
madaxe_again 18 minutes ago|||
It's against TOS. Cunard (Carnival) confiscated mine until the end of the voyage, made me buy their package.
kolanos 3 minutes ago||
How did they figure out you had one?
lp92 5 hours ago|||
Good god yes. Those WiFi prices on cruises is absolutely ridiculous unless you get it as part of a good package deal.
asats 6 hours ago||
And it seems to have a normal USB-C port now! Excellent, having to order that old weird cable of theirs was a pain, especially when one broke out in the wild.
daemonologist 5 hours ago||
I consider this to be a bit of a downgrade - the Mini 1 would accept anything from 12-48 V without negotiation, which made it really easy to power from a vehicle battery or DC wall power (if you have off-grid solar). If you did want to supply it via USB you just needed a small and cheap "dummy load" to negotiate for a voltage in that range. Now, you have to use a PD supply, and those are very hard to find at 36/48 V (in fact, this is the only single one I'm aware of that will do 60 W: https://www.coolgear.com/product/chargeit-mini-82w-usb-type-... ).
s3p 5 hours ago||
36 volts is strange. But also the power supply you mentioned only outputs 20V max.

Edit: also, this supply is a little strange. The specs say input voltage can range from 24-48V, but the image they have shows an input of 24-28V.

heyitsdaad 5 hours ago||
Usb-c to barrel converters are tiny
modeless 5 hours ago||
Removable battery is cool. Does "quick-swap" mean you can switch the battery while it's operating? I always thought it would be a good idea for devices like this to have a tiny secondary battery or large capacitor in the main unit that would let it keep going for a few seconds while you swap the main battery.
the-chitmonger 5 hours ago||
Also curious about this; I'm not much of a tinkerer but I did see their battery has a USB-C port. Is there some efficiency loss in using a spare battery as a power bank rather than actually replacing the battery where it lives?
kube-system 4 hours ago||
I would guess that calling it "quick-swap" rather than "hot-swap" probably means no.
Tepix 6 hours ago||
Starlink Mini improved the power consumption a lot. Does Starlink Mini 2 improve things further? The page lacks specs.

I read elsewhere the battery has 71Wh and lasts 4.5h. That's 15.77W/h if it indeed uses 100% of the battery's capacity.

nonethewiser 6 hours ago||
It's cool but 4.5 hours feels low for what you'd want. Between sometimes not fully charged, degradation, not wanting to fully deplete the battery your average comfortable use-time is going to be more like 2.5-3 hours. A burst of work but an entire half day of work is pushing it. It also competes with your phone hotspot, and is more of an advantage where you dont have cell coverage (more remote - where you are more sensitive to lower battery life because you cant recharge as easily).

Let me reiterate. I think this is actually awesome and I'm sure 4.5hrs is a big accomplishment. Starlink is awesome. I just think for any product you need to discount the stated battery life significantly.

stickfigure 6 hours ago||
I wouldn't look at the battery as a way of powering the day. Look at it as a way of getting temporary service up and running without having to hunt down a power source. Or seamlessly moving between power sources. Or something that can help buffer from fluctuations in solar output.

I love my mini 1 but occasionally I have to move it around and it's annoying to wait minutes for reconnect if the power cable is adjusted.

vel0city 5 hours ago||
Yeah I kinda saw this partially as a few hours of service after the sun goes down not an attempt at all day service.
daemonologist 5 hours ago|||
15 W is the Mini 1's rated "idle" power draw [0], so it's hard to tell if they're just being very generous with the "up to" figure (assuming the dish isn't being used at all) or if efficiency is improved. You'd think they'd mention if it was.

[0] - https://starlink.com/support/article/18836c7e-2d97-6153-fe67...

heyitsdaad 5 hours ago|||
My mini draws about 40-50w at start then stabilizes at 25w-30w at steady state. I put mini in my backpack next to my laptop with a 86Wh power brick and go hiking.

Phone now has satellite that makes me reachable. In case of emergency I bust out the mini and the laptop and I join the bridge.

This is not in theory, I actually joined emergency calls a few times.

Probably don’t need mini2 at this time. It only removes the power brick for me.

stickfigure 6 hours ago|||
The specs say Mini 2 works with a 60W power brick. Mini 1 requires a 100W source. So at the very least, the peak draw is better.
borisgolovnev 19 minutes ago||
Mini 1 absolutely does not require 100W. I used mine off a 60W battery just fine and as others mentioned, it's ~45W during startup and more like 25 average during normal use. I think the reason it states 100 is that it also has a heater built in. It is supposed to turn on when the top surface gets covered by snow or ice to melt it.
vel0city 5 hours ago||
If you divide Watthours by hours you just get watts not more Watthours.

If it's 71Wh and it lasts 4.5h, the h cancels out and it just becomes 15.78W.

sdorf 5 hours ago||
Starlink Mini 1st has been on 'clearance' for $149 for a while. Wonder if this is a worthwhile upgrade for truck camping or if the Mini 1 is still a good deal. No indication on price yet?
simplyluke 5 hours ago||
I've got the OG mini on my truck camper.

I don't see anything here that would meaningfully improve it assuming your truck has a reasonable power situation when it's not running. Mine runs off house batteries in the camper. And for whatever the price difference is from $150 you can buy a much more versatile power bank for camping.

rtkwe 5 hours ago||
For truck camping it feels like the main upgrade to this version, the built in battery, is unnecessary because you can power it off the vehicle when you need to or have a separate little battery pack power the Mini.
sdorf 5 hours ago||
That's exactly how I'm reading it as well. I've got an EV and an auxiliary 3kWh battery and at $149 for the hardware that still seems like a great deal. I'm interested to read about the use cases folks have for the battery to be integrated.
artdigital 4 hours ago||
I wanted to get one so bad because I’m a very frequent travelled and the idea of Starlink sounded so interesting

I just checked a few weeks ago and “Roam” does no longer include international coverage at all. Only “Roam unlimited” does, and only for 30 days at a time which entirely defeats the purpose for me. Also no way to replenish this quota or buy additional, you have to go back to your country for it to reset.

My SIM card already gives me 14 days of roaming included, so Starlink is just marginally better for my use case.

I’m sure it’s regulations related but still a bummer :(

cwt137 2 hours ago||
Recently, I've been watching ultramarathon races (Western States, UTMB, Javalina Jundred, etc.) live online. All of them have been doing live video shots of the race leaders with a camera man on a mountain bike using a Starlink Mini on the back (with networking gear and batteries in a backpack). This new Starlink Mini 2 will be a more compact solution for the cameraman and possibly give the producers of the live broadcast more options and maybe more interesting shots.
PStamatiou 5 hours ago|
It seems like the launch requires purchasing it with a bundled 1 year subscription for $999. I hope they sell it standalone like the old Mini. I'm planning to pick one up to have as primarily backup internet and just pay the standby fee to have it paused as needed.
delichon 5 hours ago|
They gave me a free mini as a promotion to residential customers. It worked for them, I now have it mounted in my daily driver and pay them ~$27/month more. That's half the price of a mini-only subscription. Standby would be enough for me except that it doesn't work while in motion.
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