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Posted by robertjfclarke 9 hours ago

Starlink Mini 2(starlink.com)
289 points | 294 commentspage 4
nakedrobot2 2 hours ago|
Elon Musk is a traitor and should be in prison for switching off Starlink in Ukraine.
cbeach 1 hour ago||
He didn't switch it off. Either:

  * It was Starlink, and putting it on offensive weaponry is against the T&Cs. That's not Musk's whim. That's just the rules.

  * It was Starshield, in which case it was the Pentagon that throttled its access, since Starshield is controlled by the Pentagon not Elon Musk
estearum 23 minutes ago||
Or, it was Starshield and Elon did shut it off as all the current reporting indicates, and ergo SpaceX should be nationalized.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/22/us/politics/starshield-ou...

misiti3780 2 hours ago||
No one cares about your politics, head over to reddit bud.
qsfp28 2 hours ago||
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asdfasdkljfhkah 7 hours ago||
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JaggerJo 6 hours ago||
Would be a great product.. if only Elon would not be involved..
cbeach 1 hour ago|
Must we do the tribal political affiliation signalling on every HN post that vaguely involves Elon Musk?

We're left wing. Elon's right wing. We've got our knickers in a twist because an influential person dares to have a worldview different from our own. But must we broadcast this? Every time?

ralphington 6 hours ago||
I'm deeply disappointed in this company's leadership and refusal to continue launching commercial payloads
tristanj 5 hours ago|
This is false. SpaceX still plans to launch commercial payloads, but it is shifting these missions from Falcon 9 to Starship. SpaceX has already sold commercial missions for Starship.
panick21_ 5 hours ago||
This is questionable. Yes that's the assumption but I wouldn't rule it out to be honest.

> SpaceX has already sold commercial missions for Starship.

A few maybe, we don't know how many. And just because they did, in the past, doesn't mean they will in the future.

Frankly, from monetary perspective its really not that relevant anymore. They need to launch far more for Starlink and future Starlink Mobile.

The whole commercial launch market is tiny in comparison. The only thing that could be volume would be a competitor to Starlink, or data centers. SpaceX want's to do both themselves.

If SpaceX says 'no' only to Starlink competitors, people can claim 'anti trust' but if they say 'no' to literally everything, that's harder to do.

dayyan 1 hour ago||
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0c3ca83 6 hours ago||
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contingencies 6 hours ago||
When an acceptable group can afford a global satellite constellation and get launched. Modern technology is inherently a centralizing force in many ways. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Society_and_Its_Fut...
0c3ca83 6 hours ago||
What about centralizing forces causes people to do Nazi salutes on stages, cut off internet to allows, and fund Nazi sympathizers in elections, do you think?
no-dr-onboard 3 hours ago||
Is the fascism in the room with us now?
spiderice 3 hours ago||
No use. These people have turned off their ability to think. They want to think Elon is a facist, so no evidence is required beyond that.
misiti3780 2 hours ago||
The political commentary is ruining HN
dyauspitr 8 hours ago|
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tjohns 8 hours ago||
Amazon is actively building a competing constellation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Leo

They have about 400 satellites already in orbit. It's not available for public sale yet but I believe they're close.

roughly 7 hours ago||
Oh good, a Jeff Bezos backed version, that solves the failure case.
dyauspitr 5 hours ago|||
It does for me. The failure case is white supremacy.
roughly 4 hours ago||
Oh honey, I’ve got bad news.
dyauspitr 4 hours ago||
No you don’t sweetheart.
dabinat 7 hours ago|||
To be fair, putting satellites in space is very expensive so the chances of it not being owned by some billionaire asshole is zero. But some billionaire assholes are better than others.
ianburrell 7 hours ago|||
Amazon Leo is currently launching satellites. They have 396 in orbit but haven't started service. The constellation is going to be lots smaller than Starlink with 3236 total.

AST SpaceMobile is planning cellular in space. I think it is supposed to be faster than Starlink Direct-to-Cell but slower than regular Starlink. It uses fewer, 12 currently, 45 in 2027, and 248 total, larger and higher satellites.

China has two large 10,000+ constellations planned with hundreds already launched.

saturn8601 5 hours ago||
Amazon needs to move faster, do they have good people? Other legacy sat companies seem hopeless, too much cruft. Attended a talk at Bsides a year or two ago with one of them talking about ways they have tried to improve security and I was aghast at how behind the curve they were.

I heard Amazon is actually launching their stuff on Falcon 9 right? Putting side the embarrassment, it is more expensive base cost if you have to piggyback on your main competitor. They will never reach cost parity.

China will likely catch up. They are motivated. But I assume that wont be available to Americans?

daemonologist 7 hours ago|||
Amazon is working on their own constellation (which they renamed LEO for some reason); it's looking like it will have some availability ~next year. There are lots of others (Qianfan, OneWeb, AST SpaceMobile) somewhere along in development/deployment but none of those seem likely to offer consumer internet any time soon.
numpad0 7 hours ago|||

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_internet_constellation?#Constellations
bottlepalm 8 hours ago|||
Funny how everyone said Starlink would fail, that it couldn't be done. Elon took the risk and it's so successful that you want to reward someone else for achieving it.
wewtyflakes 7 hours ago|||
I think the other poster just does not want to support the dude (take your pick of reasons); that's the end of the story and that's fine; you don't need to invent stories around them just to get yourself mad.
bottlepalm 7 hours ago||
Oh in that case there are lots of options, such as Viasat and Hughesnet.
origini 7 hours ago||||
I do not remember anyone saying Starlink would fail.

I really really despite Elon Musk for plenty of things but i don't think Space-X is not successful, i just think its not worth its share price.

But i'm for sure not liking that one person can just decide to put stuff into our space and disrupt research and my view without paying for it somehow.

And the biggest issue ish Elon Musks behaviour: he is for sure no one who would take something like atmospheric poisening serious until its too late or someone forced him to do so.

bottlepalm 7 hours ago||
Everyone did because Iridium and Teledesic went bankrupt attempting it. To the geniuses here, global satellite constellations had been tried and failed multiple times. Elon was a con-man only putting it out there to pump up the valuation for investors. Sound familiar? Same with his crazy charlatan act of claiming rockets could be made reusable. The users of HN were smarter than that.
origini 7 hours ago||
Nope not ringing any bell.
jmull 7 hours ago||||
Whether people want to do business with Elon Musk seems entirely separate from whether some people in the past were able to correctly predict the success of Starlink.
runarberg 7 hours ago||||
Hater here, hoping to clarify: I never said Starlink would fail, however I did say repeatedly I was rooting and hoping for their failure.

The reason I gave, and am still giving for rooting against this technology is that it gives local politicians an excuse to skimp out on building out traditional infrastructure which I still think is superior by a wide margin. I believed back then, and I still believe that as long as local governments fail to deliver traditional infrastructure then Starlink might succeed, and it would be worse for everyone except SpaceX. I just hope they don’t succeed.

saturn8601 5 hours ago||
But they had years to build out that infra. Other countries actually did more than the US in this area. Its entirely on the US politicians and subsequently on the people that elected them. You can't expect others to just sit by doing nothing while what you want is stalled due to who is in charge.
tootie 7 hours ago||||
Who said it couldn't be done? I think the confusion has been over how viable of a business it would be which is a surprise. Also Elon has doubled down on being reprehensible.
yed 7 hours ago|||
Did they? I don't recall any significant voices saying it couldn't be done. Mostly doubts about the commercial and financial viability, but that comes with every venture not just Elon's.
bottlepalm 7 hours ago||
They sure did. They said it wasn't possible/economically feasible to launch that many times. Reusability still wasn't a thing, and people here said that wasn't possible as well. They said even 600 sats would be too many. That everyone that had tried satellite constellations before had gone bankrupt, which was true. The deck was stacked against SpaceX. Everyone thought Elon was lying as usual. That he was trying to pump up the valuation for false promises.

Hindsight is now 20/20 that Starlink is a huge success. I guess all you guys forgot, and now think that the success of Starlink was obvious all along. Bitcoin and TypeScript are also things I remember HN being dismissive of at first that have both been very successful since.

rvz 8 hours ago|||
Ask Claude to build one for you for free.
runarberg 8 hours ago||
I think the non-Elon version is called traditional infrastructure + 5G towers.