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Posted by iamdelirium 18 hours ago

Gemini Decisions API(blog.google)
468 points | 143 commentspage 3
florkbork 17 hours ago|
Meanwhile, they are suffocating Jules today (https://killedbygoogle.com/) with a metaphorical pillow to the face and no migration path mapped out for casual users apart from "use antigravity" in a 1 line high banner; after about a year of existence.

It seems unlikely this will be around in 6 months at this rate.

Catloafdev 16 hours ago||
That doesn't make any sense, this is a Jev competitor and a model release, like their Carbon and Argon models. It won't simply be 'killed' like apps might without something to succeed it.
DaSHacka 16 hours ago||
And why not, exactly? OpenAI was more than fine killing Sora with no replacement. I don't see why Google would be any different, especially considering they're notorious for this behavior.
p_l 15 hours ago|||
Because Jules was explicitly an experiment, not guaranteed to "graduate".

Google is maintaining the AI models and APIs for much longer, even if many people don't know about them unless they use them to build things

rgreasons 15 hours ago|||
Gemini Decisions API is likely to be used by enterprise customers in real products. Sora was a toy that only seemed to exist to infringe on IP OpenAI didn’t control. Apples and oranges.
panarky 15 hours ago|||
Antigravity is far superior to Jules.

I say plant a thousand flowers and cull the ones that don't bloom.

kasperset 16 hours ago||
Barring Search, Gmail, and YouTube I am really wary of using anything from Google now.
antonvs 14 hours ago||
The difference is this is not a consumer-focused product.

Google kills consumer products because most consumers don't pay for them directly, so they often end up not making enough money.

With enterprise products, they have actual paying customers, so the situation is different.

pratzc07 16 hours ago||
So is it over for Jev now that the big boys are in the game
brandall10 16 hours ago||
They just got a huge round, almost a billion in financing - that was after OAI Decisions API was released. I really wonder what their next move is.
freeone3000 15 hours ago|||
Take the money and go home.
blitzar 2 hours ago|||
> I really wonder what their next move is.

bugattis

clhodapp 12 hours ago|||
I guess it depends on how many good ideas Typesafe AI have. They never said that they were only about decision models.
mikeocool 14 hours ago|||
It’s been a little while since I’ve looked, but when the first round of jev competitors came out, jev was still significantly faster.

Getting a response in 250ms opens up a lot possibilities over 750ms.

ai-x 15 hours ago|||
Startup / Founder focus vs Large Organizations with no vision. With AI, we know distribution moat really doesn't matter and Google doesn't have a great Developer distribution moat anyway
BoorishBears 8 hours ago||
"Input blocked: the prompt contains sensitive words that violate Google’s Generative AI Prohibited Use policy"

No I think Jev will do just fine. Not because Google can't even ship this day 1 on their enterprise platform (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeupHxao3ajUvl9Dt7l...) but has time for moralizing a decision API.

It's not the spirit of a competitive company.

iamdelirium 18 hours ago||
Looks like Google announced their own Jev inspired API and model
dude250711 17 hours ago|
It was a hot topic 2 months ago.
claiir 15 hours ago||
Why’s the probability type called “noul”?
iamdelirium 15 hours ago||
Because they model this on Jev's API instead of OpenAI's version.
ssivark 8 hours ago|||
It's an abbreviation for a "Bernoulli" random variable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli_distribution
theanonymousone 15 hours ago||
Was my question too. Apparently it is derived from Bernoulli (Can't find the source now).
kingstnap 15 hours ago||
Jev's founder mentioned the background on the latent space podcast.

https://youtu.be/cFx9Z3ZXca0?t=3340

5555watch 15 hours ago||
I still don't really understand where and why these decisions or Jev is useful or interesting? Is there a clear demonstration or tldr anywhere?
npc99 15 hours ago|
Routing, classification, replacement for LLM-as-judge
perching_aix 13 hours ago||
I still have no idea why this is useful. Models are atrocious without reasoning, for classification and otherwise, and this doesn't even just eschew reasoning afaik, but parts of the models as well for lower latency and cost. I genuinely do not see the point.

What differentiates this from training a classifier model? That it comes pretrained with general knowledge?

foopod 11 hours ago|
I think that is exactly the value prop, you don't need to train a classifier. You get something that works well enough to validate your product/feature/whatever before investing in training.
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