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Posted by klaussilveira 9 hours ago

Abandoned Quake 4 expansion finished by modders and now playable(www.moddb.com)
231 points | 80 comments
lavendermon 8 hours ago|
The Quake 3 demo was one of my favorite games I wasn't allowed to play as a teenager. Loved blowing people up with a rocket launcher and laser beaming with a railgun. I have no qualms about whether AI finished this, just enjoying the fact that nostalgia can be invoked more easily and cheaply than ever before.

On a similar note World of Warcraft just launched "WoW Forever", a nostalgic throwback to vanilla WoW. Millions of people tried to play on the first day and for the first time ever during a major launch of WoW, everything went smoothly and players were able to log in and play without lagging out. Normally it took a few days after launch for servers to catch up to demand and allow people to actually play the game without lag or disconnections. I'm confident that AI played a major role in allowing Blizzard's team to navigate a WoW launch successfully for the first time.

chrisfosterelli 7 hours ago||
It seems weird to attribute WoW's launch success to AI and not to the 20+ years of experience the industry has with modern online game architecture. When it launched in 2004 the state of MMO games was very different and a lot of those choices are hard to undo on an actively played game. I imagine AI was used but I doubt it had any great architectural insight that the experts at Blizzard didn't.
lavendermon 7 hours ago||
My belief that AI may have helped Blizzard plan, set up and smoothly launch WoW Forever is inferred and based on the poor quality of their other recent launches. WoW Classic released in 2019 and was a laggy mess for the first few days. Blizzard recently said WoW Forever is their biggest launch in history for peak concurrent players, bigger than Classic or any expansion they've released including Burning Crusade and WotLK.

Blizzard has long been derided for its poor performance when handling massive player events, showing worse performance in that regard than large private servers such as Nostalrius.

The biggest technological advancement in the past couple years that could help explain their sudden and dramatic improvement is AI, in my opinion. I think it's fantastic if AI is indeed a large part of the reason for their rapid improvement.

hhh 6 hours ago|||
Wow Classic was fine except for the queue. Any limitations were arbitrary to fit into the no changes mentality that the community had (e.g. queues etc due to limited layers and servers.)
kakacik 6 hours ago||||
So it could be anything and everything since you are no insider but you choose one specific reason.

Lets agree to disagree, happy to attribute llm wins where respect is earned but not more, to balance out various horror stories

MisterTea 5 hours ago|||
you REALLY want AI to be the linchpin here.
DeluluDon 3 hours ago||
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modeless 5 hours ago|||
Instant Quake 3 nostalgia here: https://thelongestyard.link/q3a-demo/ (actually predates AI)
arjie 3 hours ago|||
Someone (you?) linked this here and I ended up buying Q3A and running it through ioquake. Quite a blast, even with just bots.
leptons 3 hours ago|||
Not nostalgia for me, I play Quake 3 about 15 times a week with a group of people, it's still awesome fun. We're all so good at it, it's genuinely a difficult competition every time. After 15 years we still get in ridiculous/interesting situations in the same maps all the time.
sedawkgrep 2 hours ago|||
Same here. My BFF and I have played Q3 on and off since it was released. But we've clocked more hours in the past couple years than in the previous ten.

Even after all this time we have a blast and sometimes situations erupt into huge bouts of laughter. I'll never not think that an errant rocket splash knocking him off the map is hilarious.

abbbi 2 hours ago|||
same here thanks to fpsclassico theres still a vibrant community
csb6 4 hours ago|||
> I have no qualms about whether AI finished this, just enjoying the fact that nostalgia can be invoked more easily and cheaply than ever before.

Maybe making nostalgic experiences available so cheaply is not a good thing. For me seeing mods and reimaginings of old games is interesting because people puts lots of effort into them with attention to detail and their own ideas. Someone recreating Half-Life 1 with modern graphics using AI is not going to create something as cool as Black Mesa, for instance, which didn't attempt to make a 1 to 1 recreation but to improve things and make it fit with more modern graphics.

ecshafer 8 hours ago|||
There are some gameplay issues with the WoW Layering tech (Layering is World of Warcraft's name for where you there are multiple shards for the same zone, and players may transfer between each layer as it balances. So instead of different servers, everyone is on one "server", and each zone is sharded to accomadate large populations). But the layering and single realm tech is just really well done. It scales to huge populations seamlessly. There is some polishing on zone boundaries and pvp, but the tech was pulled off without a hitch for a massive launch, millions of concurrent players.
lavendermon 6 hours ago||
This is the type of change I am referring to when inferring that AI may have helped develop the changes that enabled such a massive improvement over previous launch events.

I am not a Blizzard employee and don't have insider information. I'm just impressed with their improvements and hopeful it was at least partially enabled by their use of AI to help ideate, design and implement.

ecshafer 5 hours ago|||
I don't think there is any evidence AI has helped them do this. They almost assuredly used AI, sure. But this seems like its the result of investing in their platform team and infrastructure over many years.
Hikikomori 21 minutes ago|||
They've had layering for a decade.
jareklupinski 2 hours ago|||
> Quake 3 demo was one of my favorite games I wasn't allowed to play as a teenager.

yea that opening Quake 4 sequence came a little too early for me D:

lloydatkinson 6 hours ago||
I've not even played a second of WoW. Is WoW forever worth playing for someone in my shoes?
jst1fthsdys 5 hours ago|||
MMOs are awful. Save your money and time.
lavendermon 5 hours ago||
As someone who has played a lot of WoW, this is a reasonable response.
ecshafer 6 hours ago||||
There's a lot of new players that never played wow in any iteration, so I would think so.
dmonitor 4 hours ago|||
Do you like Cookie Clicker? Do you think Cookie Clicker would be more fun if everyone clicking could interact with each other? If so, WoW is for you.
tlhunter 3 hours ago||
Quake 4 was decent. It's the Doom 3 engine in the Quake 2 universe.

I've replayed Quake 1 and Quake 2 dozens of times but I'll never play Quake 4 again.

MisterTea 1 hour ago|
I remember pirating Quake, got it in August before the Nov launch (gotta love early 0-day releases) and playing the hell out of it. Played so many mods and the early machinima mods. By the time Quake 2 came out I had money to buy the game and did so, great game. I setup my first Ethernet network between two machines and the first thing I did was call a few friends over for 1v1 Quake 2 matches. I can still remember my friend Jose killing me in that lava room trap and the laughs had. I wasnt a big twitch gamer but my brother and I did a little bit of Q3A DM but it wasn't my thing; I prefer a story and casual game play.

I remember buying Quake 4 but I don't remember playing it. Tells you a lot right there.

keyle 47 minutes ago||
Is there any video footage of it done? A graphic alone as a preview...

379 downloads at this time...

AgentME 12 minutes ago|
I watched a playthrough of the expansion and it was a bit more forgettable than Quake 4 itself. It didn't do much of anything new that the main game didn't.
imbusy111 8 hours ago||
It wasn't a good game though. I tried it a few years ago and it felt very sluggish. Definitely not some classic worth playing now.
DamnInteresting 4 hours ago||
I remember really enjoying the single-player campaign for Quake 4 at the time, but I don't know how well it holds up. I still have the discs in the original retail packaging, tucked away in a closet somewhere.
markus_zhang 7 hours ago|||
I actually love Q4 as it packs so much into the game. I guess it’s a love or hate game.

But I’ll need to play the expansion first.

georgemcbay 6 hours ago||
> I actually love Q4 as it packs so much into the game. I guess it’s a love or hate game.

I guess it is, and if we're being honest I'm a certified hater.

I played all of the Quake games online, a lot, at their corresponding time of initial release. First on software, then accelerated on 3dfx Voodoo cards, then later on NVIDIA RIVA TNT and the original GeForce cards (to tie this into some of today's other big news).

I played untold hours of multiplayer online netQuake, Quake II and Quake III Arena and have my own semi-controversial opinion that Quake II was actually the best of them all (most people tend to either prefer the original, or III). But you may be the first person I've ever encountered online or IRL who has professed love for Quake 4. (I'm sure there are others out there, I just haven't run into them).

I barely played any of them in single player, to be fair, so that could very well be a factor in the difference of opinion(?).

saltcured 4 hours ago|||
Yeah I think that's the whole difference.

For single-player, Quake 4 felt more related to Doom 3 and the later Doom remakes. A more modern, atmospheric, FPS dungeon crawler.

For me, Quake 3 was the end of my appreciation for Id games, since I am only interested in single-player and it didn't even try to offer that. I am drawn to the immersive FPS environment, but I have no competitive urge nor enjoyment from having random participants disrupting the experience.

markus_zhang 4 hours ago||||
Yeah I get that. I also came from the Quake I era but I rarely played multiplayer games. I get why many Quake players dislike Q4 because it has little to do with the original Quake games gameplay-wise. Quake 2 is of the same universe but the style is different.

I tend to treat Q4 as a good FPS and that’s it. It is a polished game with a lot of contents so I love it. Quake I is still my fav FPS but Quake 4 is a good game as well.

I also love DOOM 3 for a similar reason —- completely different from the other DOOMs including DOOM 4 but still a fun game. I guess I prefer slower pace when I grow into my 40s…

That said, I still haven’t played my dream game —- a first person RPG —- something similar to Hexen/Skyrim but with richer contexts. Something like a first person D&D game.

Pet_Ant 6 hours ago||||
Online games are too fast to let the atmosphere sink in. Playing the new Quake anniversary levels and they are a real treat. I hope to do the brutalist game jam levels next.
wmil 5 hours ago||||
Q4 is actually by Raven Software using the Doom 3 engine, id tech 4. Raven also did Heretic and Hexen.

Basically id had Raven do a more single player focussed Quake game.

burnte 5 hours ago|||
The late Q2 era and Q3A/Q3TA era were amazing.
shuwix 8 hours ago||
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whalesalad 6 hours ago||
Quake never really did it for me but Unreal Tournament... oh yeah.
raffraffraff 3 hours ago|
When Quake came out in 1996 there was absolutely nothing else like it.

Ever played Xonotic?

johnnyApplePRNG 8 hours ago||
This feels wrong... like releasing post-humous musical albums the original artist never finished or intended to finish.
nukanse 7 hours ago||
I would love to have more pink Floyd with as good style and quality of what I like from that band
LoganDark 8 hours ago||
But Michael Jackson - California got us this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp4_7T9J6Fg
k12sosse 7 hours ago||
are... you arguing for, or against his comment with yours?
weezing 3 hours ago||
Nice job Claude
tiahura 8 hours ago||
Who knew there was a Quake 4?
aleph_minus_one 6 hours ago||
At least in Germany, at the time when Quake 4 was released, basically everybody who was slightly interested in gaming topics (independent from whether one loved or hated this game) knew about it because of the huge outrage that the German version of Quake 4 was so censored:

> https://censorship.fandom.com/wiki/Quake_4

> https://www.reddit.com/r/quake/comments/1namarb/quake_4_on_s...

lloeki 3 hours ago||
How does that even compute.

Halfway through the game there's literally a pivotal plot point that entirely hinges on a particularly gruesome event immersively experienced in first person.

Not to mention the various details in the environment that are incredibly repulsive but are a key part of the unspoken lore, ambiance, and general plot.

The game artistically and thematically entirely falls flat without the reviling experience of the Strogg that is witnessed at every corner.

aleph_minus_one 1 hour ago||
> Halfway through the game there's literally a pivotal plot point that entirely hinges on a particularly gruesome event immersively experienced in first person.

Under

> https://web.archive.org/web/20121227232433/https://www.schni... (*)

you can find screenshots of the changes. A video about this topic can be found at

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru5RHmxFIYw (**)

--

I have never played Quake 4, but if you are talking about the "stroggification" cutscene: according to (*), this scene was simply removed. In (**), this particular topic is handled at 7:49.

Players at the time indeed complained that because of this change, quite a lot of things in the story did make much less sense.

wmil 5 hours ago|||
It wasn't a real mainline Quake game by id, they got Raven to do it. Also it was single player focussed.

So there wasn't the same level of hype.

wincy 7 hours ago|||
My memory of quake 4 was me and my friends were excited because it was one of the first PC games to have a DVD release instead of a bunch of CDs. This felt revolutionary at the time.
tosti 6 hours ago||
There was a QuakeLive too, playable in a browser, but it was discontinued.
jst1fthsdys 5 hours ago|||
It is still available on Steam, just not the browser interface.
unethical_ban 5 hours ago|||
The browser piece is gone, but it's still alive, and it gets played at LAN parties to this day.
logicallee 6 hours ago|
"Play the original campaign"

!remindme 74 years.

https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw_f6980a4a-d6af-4ec9-ad4f-b1...

geniium 6 hours ago|
Nice move
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