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Posted by dvaplima 6 hours ago

Gemini 4 Hydrogen(blog.google)
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drejt 6 hours ago|
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jawns 6 hours ago||
The naming of these Gemini 4 models is ridiculous.

In order of sophistication and cost, the models are Hydrogen -> Argon -> Carbon.

What kind of ordering is that?!?

With the introduction of Hydrogen, it's no longer ordered alphabetically. That would be Argon → Carbon → Hydrogen.

And it never was ordered by atomic mass, which is arguably the best ordering if you're going to name your model classes after chemical elements. That would be Hydrogen → Carbon → Argon.

It's also not ordered by prevalence in the universe. That ordering would also be Hydrogen → Carbon → Argon.

It's not ordered by electronegativity, boiling point, melting point, or any other remotely defensible chemical property I can think of.

It's not even ordered by letter count, Scrabble score, or NFPA 704 Flammability Rating, all of which would be Argon → Carbon → Hydrogen.

amanda4 5 hours ago||
Per Business Insider[0], Argon and Carbon were part of an alphabetical lineup:

> An internal document shows that Google has tested a series of Gemini 4 models, internally named Argon, Barium, and Carbon.

Then I suppose they tacked on Hydrogen since it's supposed to be a "light" model and hydrogen is the lightest element. I agree that it's super confusing though.

[0] https://www.businessinsider.com/google-employees-test-new-ge...

gpm 5 hours ago|||
Density at standard temperature and pressure? Carbon admittedly has a number of forms at STP but they're all solid and thus heavier than argon gas.
daemonologist 5 hours ago|||
Density of the most common (on Earth) allotropes at STP, perhaps?

Or maybe they just pick them out of a hat.

leonpillow 5 hours ago|||
nodejs release names

alphabetical skipping the weird names

next would be iron krypton and lithium

mattlondon 5 hours ago|||
+1 to this the naming is totally opaque and ridiculous.

There is no hint of what each one does. I get that these were internal code names, fine, but to everyone outside Google it's not helpful to have these meaningless names.

ChatGPT and Claude aren't much better - there is still quite a lot of assumed knowledge there assuming you know what e.g. a sonnet is and what an opus is - but at least if you squint there is something there.

Google's names just seem to be randomly generated.

Maybe they were worried that the 3.1 Pro model being around for so lunch ruined the brand? But 3.8 Flash was pretty decent I thought so it's not like "flash" was burnt. I dunno.

jrflo 5 hours ago|||
The choice is really odd. Hydrogen and Carbon could have an organic chemistry theme going if they chose Oxygen, but then they go with Argon? Anthropic and Open AI have the names figured out in terms of obvious size: Luna->Terra->Sol->Astra and Haiku->Sonnet->Opus->Fable->Mythos makes intuitive sense. I have no idea how the Google model size class works.
InsideOutSanta 5 hours ago|||
I know some people are still a bit confused by astra, sol, terra, and luna, but at least you can explain the reasoning and it makes sense. Google's new naming scheme is just pure luna...cy.
Iolaum 5 hours ago|||
I don't know why but this post reminded me of the show(books) Altered Carbon.

Also totally agree. What a bad way to name models...

wry_xy 5 hours ago|||
We'll know they've achieved super intelligence when tech companies suddenly have sensible product names.
aquariusDue 5 hours ago|||
Yeah, they really fumbled the naming scheme for this batch of models.

At this point even using Starbucks sizes would be better.

flakiness 5 hours ago||
I now believe that they're trolling.
simonw 1 hour ago||
Surprisingly plain pelicans for a Gemini model, quite a nice illustration of how Hydrogen really is significantly less powerful than Carbon and Argon: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht...

For comparison here's Argon: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht...

And Carbon: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht...

Here's a comparison grid: https://static.simonwillison.net/static/2026/gemini-4-pelica... - note that Carbon and Argon are priced the same, so it's actually quite neat to see the difference in token usage between them (Google say that Argon is more token efficient.)

james2doyle 6 hours ago||
Their naming scheme seems a bit tough to follow. But it does seem like they finally learned their lesson and announced something at the same time it's actually available!
tintor 6 hours ago||
When are getting more powerful Gemini 4 Lead, and Gemini 4 Uranium models?
vardump 5 hours ago|
Gemini 4 Plutonium will have nerfing half life?
tomashm 1 hour ago||
3.8 Flash pricing will double in January to match 4 Hydrogen pricing

https://aistudio.google.com/docs/pricing#gemini-3.8-flash

thisisauserid 5 hours ago||
Looks like they are releasing these... periodically!
jstummbillig 5 hours ago||
First interaction, me: "Hello how are you"

Gemini: "I am operating normally."

Smooth.

EchoVoicy 5 hours ago|
I prefer computers that talk like completed, but I get I'm the minority in this.
bcmyguest 1 hour ago||
I get that hydrogen is the smallest element but like it's not exactly that intuitive for everyday people to know which to choose. Whatever happened to big/medium/small
dvaplima 5 hours ago|
Argon, Carbon, now Hydrogen. If Google keeps climbing the periodic table, the roadmap writes itself: Californium finds gold in your codebase (enterprise only)
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