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Posted by dvaplima 6 hours ago

Gemini 4 Hydrogen(blog.google)
446 points | 288 commentspage 6
yewenjie 6 hours ago|
Honestly I cannot keep up with the naming conventions that keep changing every month.

Argon, Carbon, Hydrogen?

Luna, Terra, Sol, Astra, Betelgeuse?

sunaookami 5 hours ago||
>For everyone: Start using it in the Gemini app model drop down

and then it says for free users there is only "automatic" and you will get Gemini 4 Hydrogen "when it's the appropriate model for the prompt". Yeah sure Google, whatever, I don't care about Gemini models anymore. Too hard to access, constant rugpulls, intransparent pricing, many, MANY outages and in general very unreliable. At this point I just want Google to fail.

ReptileMan 6 hours ago||
Are we sure the guy that creates google naming schemes is not held hostage and those are his desperate attempts to communicate with the outside world in concealed way?
prodigycorp 6 hours ago||
Google team: these names are an embarrassment

The naming scheme alone has no rhyme or reason. Model names should not be a source of cognitive load.

medler 6 hours ago||
It is no more confusing than the naming schemes used by OpenAI and Anthropic
jug 6 hours ago|||
OpenAI is at least arranged by size of celestial feature. Anthropic did arrange them by size of a written work. But I think Fable and Mythos made it a little weird. As for Google, no idea other than Hydrogen is small so at least that kind of tracks.

Having said this, I don't defend this trend at all and also think a model picker ought to be good enough with at most three tiers rather than five or so with sometimes like five effort levels each for 25 combos. I refuse to believe we need this granularity.

techmunky 5 hours ago|||
OpenAI - Celestial body size.

Anthropic - Literary scale.

Google - random elements with no clear relation to model value/capacity.

medler 5 hours ago||
A fable is bigger than an opus? An astra is bigger than a sol, which is also a star?
mv4 6 hours ago||
Indeed. That's why when I had to name my product I named it after a cat.
thereitgoes456 6 hours ago||
Is this a replacement for Flash-Lite? Because it’s being used to serve answers for Search.

The new naming scheme seems shockingly poor though, “Pro” and “Flash” made intuitive sense to me, and Anthropic and OpenAI kept a sense of scale. Nobody is going to intuitively understand “Oh yes, Hydrogen is smaller than Carbon”, even though it is.

cflewis 6 hours ago||
I don't believe so. From my use I think it is a Flash model through and through.

I have found it a good subagent workhorse for code implementation, with some higher level model doing the spec and review.

npn 6 hours ago||
No. It has the same price with 3.8 flash (with no introduction price it seems)
harryVic 6 hours ago||
Their super smart recursively improving ASI models didn't tell them this naming is absolutely terrible?
TacticalCoder 6 hours ago||
Are we going to talk about naming and confusing ways to access it, or are we going to discuss how capable the model is?

Every single time a Google model comes out, an army of Anthropic shills sidetrack the discussion.

Can we look at what the model does and discuss whether Google is still in the game or not? (naming models and whether you need to access it by clicking a drop-down menu or making a prayer ain't really relevant)

saberience 5 hours ago||
Another day, another nonsensically named google product.

I quit using Gemini models months ago because they are incomprehensible to understand in terms of when to use them and how to navigate the terrible GCP and Gemini UI. It’s a Kafkaesque nightmare.

XCSme 36 minutes ago||
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ElProlactin 6 hours ago|
With all the names for their AI offerings, I need to come up for Oxygen.
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