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Posted by bookofjoe 9 hours ago

Minnesota guitarist's "palmfrets" invention strikes a new chord(www.echopress.com)
https://palmfrets.com/
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afpx 7 hours ago|
I’m just a beginner player, but what are the pros / cons of this vs those quick-change capo things?
marpstar 7 hours ago||
this shortens the string from both sides and gives the player the ability to engage/disengage as part of their right-hand playing.

Because of the way intonation works in string instruments (e.g. by fine-tuning the saddle of the bridge on electric guitars/basses), I think that you'd be able to have this set up to work well in a few playing positions, but just as the frets get smaller as you go higher up the neck (because of the way pitch works on a shortened string) I'd expect the intonation to get out of whack in other spots on the neck.

bryanlarsen 3 hours ago||
You'd be out of tune if you used both a palm fret and a neck fret at the same time on the same string. But I doubt that you'd ever want to do that. The palm fret only moves 1-3 semitones, which if you're already putting a finger on that string, it's almost always going to be easier to move the finger a fret or three than to use both the palm and the finger.
dfxm12 4 hours ago||
They do different things. This like, instead of playing an F and a G on the low E string by fretting the first & third fret with your fretting hand, you can "fret" it with your strumming hand, which would free your fretting hand for the other strings around the 12th fret. This, in a way, lets you play a bass line and high melody without moving all over the fretboard wildly. The video on palmfrets.com shows this more clearly.

As a beginner player, this isn't worth worrying about, IMO. It might unlock some interesting composition options for someone writing a song for themselves... Normally, you have a bassist playing those parts for you, though.

globular-toast 8 hours ago||
Oooh. I play acoustic. Apparently it's not quite as good because you don't want to mess with the acoustics of the instrument, but being able to get just one more bass note on each string would open up a ton of new possibilities...
dizhn 29 minutes ago|
His demo playing has a lot of buzzing too.
rc5150 8 hours ago||
Yeah this isn't the game changer he thinks its going to be. Real e-bow energy here.

Really having a hard time seeing any major manufacturer licensing the design and using it on any of their instruments.

lightedman 3 hours ago|
Especially when 8,9, and 10-string guitars exist.
bena 8 hours ago||
Like, neat, but I wonder what it really gets you.

A guitar has a lot of duplicated notes. The lowest 5 notes of the low E string are unique and the highest 5 of the high E for a guitar in standard tuning.

Standard tuning is EADGBe. Every fret is a half tone. So on the low E string it goes, from open E->F->F#/Gb->G->G#/Ab->A. That A is the same A as the second open string. This is how guitars are tuned to themselves, you can play the fifth fret on most strings to find out what the next string should sound like. The exception is the B which is tuned to the fourth.

It's a bit by design, you have access to a full scale within reach of your hand, no matter where your hand is.

And this really only extends the higher range. So on the high e, instead of 5 unique notes, you'll have 5 + whatever the palmfrets give you.

Now. If it jumped you an entire octave, that could possibly be cool. Basically replace an entire pedal with a bit of hardware on your bridge.

npostavs 5 hours ago|
> The exception is the B which is tuned to the fourth.

I was going to say it's a major third, but then realized you meant fourth fret.

> And this really only extends the higher range.

No, the palm frets are only under the bass strings. So what it does is allow you to play first position bass string notes at the same time as higher position treble string notes. It extends the possible chord voicings, not the whole instrument range.

0gs 3 hours ago||
come on, no Polyphia fans here? this is the only way to add more notes and finally shred the matrix.
luckydata 8 hours ago||
as a long time guitar player, this thing has no future whatsoever, too many compromises that buy you very little musically
dizhn 28 minutes ago||
Super agreed. If you want actual guitar innovation, check out Shark guitars (from Antalya, Turkey) on YouTube.
rc5150 5 hours ago||
agreed. this is another gimmick product on an instrument that reached its apex 70 years ago.
thisisauserid 6 hours ago|
Bass and melody at the same time? Wow!

If you throw in playing accompaniment simultaneously you would able to emulate what a second year classical guitar player can do in his sleep!

moomin 6 hours ago|
I had a slightly different take, which is that the Chapman Stick already exists.
matula 4 hours ago||
Exactly. Thought this would've been mentioned in the article, or least a top comment here.

However, I absolutely appreciate anyone trying out new things. So props to him.