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Posted by BobaFloutist 5 hours ago

It Takes 16 Clicks for a Student to Open a PowerPoint on an iPad(www.reddit.com)
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rootusrootus 5 hours ago|
Seems like as much of an indictment on the services stack the school chose as it is a problem inherent to the iPad.
e40 5 hours ago||
5 clicks/touches on YT mobile to close a video. iOS version, but I assume others are the same. I use the mobile app a whole lot less because of it.

16 is insane, though.

delecti 2 hours ago||
Do you mean the iOS YT app? It's at most three, two if you allow a swipe. Swipe down on the video (moves it to a smaller view in the lower-right) > tap the X in the upper right of the video. Or tap the video (to bring up controls) > tap the down-arrow in the upper left (moves to the same smaller view) > tap the same X in the corner.
e40 34 minutes ago||
Full screen:

1. touch screen to see controls

2. touch lower-right -><-

3. touch screen to see \/ in upper left

4. touch \/

5. touch X

If the video play to the end (1) and (2) are replaced with touch X, for a total of 4.

dgan 5 hours ago|||
I am using YouTube website, on Firefox, GrapheneOS. If I click on youtube logo, it will close the video. what am I missing from not using the app? It also continues playing when phone closed/black screen
Miraste 3 hours ago||
On the Android app it takes two touches.
breakwaterlabs 5 hours ago||
Why are kindergartners being given chromebooks? Why are they logging in with QR codes? Why is anyone using a password, without a vault, in a multi-login flow?

That's the real horror of that thread. Our kids are going to grow up illiterate and pwned.

j45 5 hours ago|
The School based chromebook horror show is something else.

Google Docs/Slides/Sheets masquerading as EdTech

snowwrestler 4 hours ago||
This is basically rage bait, posted by a (supposed) teacher to Reddit, and now reposted here to HN. I flagged it.

The alleged chain of clicks and typing is not really plausible unless the kid just got handed a brand new machine on the first day of school. These are services that kids use everyday that employ cookies to persist session, just like any other web service.

BobaFloutist 2 hours ago||
I was literally browsing the Teachers sub while procrastinating on studying for a midterm, read that post, and was curious what people would have to say about it on HN (in all fairness, I suppose at least part of me was also like "Wow this would do numbers on HN).

It's fair to complain that you don't find it constructive, interesting, or educational, but I promise it was at least an organic process.

mihaaly 3 hours ago||
I do not know what this thing is about and the reason for posting, possibly it is fake and attention hungry whatever, but why then sounds the suffer so familiar to me not even close to learning/teaching on iPad? Must be coincidence or hallucinations then.
Ungh 5 hours ago||
My youngest has to suffer Google Classroom on mandatory iPads at school. It is, to be polite, a complete pile of donkey shit. The amount of times work can’t be done because something is broken or corrupted or doesn’t display properly or there are auth or consistency problems is unreal. That is if you can find the work in the first place. On top of that hardware problems galore like the mandatory keyboard cases dropping connection every 30 minutes or so. Or the school’s AP and Internet crapping out or being overloaded.

I approached the school about it two years ago and they were dismissive and ignorant.

I have to pay £14 a month for that too.

They also have Chromebooks but they were post Covid emergency purchases and they are all end of life and need replacing. Hence the iPads because we have to pay for the renewal then not the school. And the chromebooks were just as terrible.

I have heard of entire subject lessons being wasted on IT issues. And children getting detention because something was broken.

It’s a kafkaesque nightmare. They should go back to paper for most work.

crazygringo 4 hours ago||
I doubt Google Classroom itself is the problem at all, that's pretty rock-solid in my experience.

But with third-party auth, the third-party add-ons and integrations, that's where it turns into complete crap. Those are the things that often tend to be terribly engineered.

Classroom pretty much works like a dream if you stick to materials in Docs/Sheets/Slides and do the grading within Classroom as well. And if each student has their own device so they don't need to log in again every day, even better.

But schools purchase all of these integrations and then expect the teachers to use them and then the quality of the user experience goes down the toilet. But the fault is pretty much entirely with the integrations, in my experience. Because some are quite reliable, it can definitely be done. But a lot of these companies just don't care.

masfuerte 4 hours ago|||
Is this a state school? Government rules [1] say:

> School governing bodies and local authorities cannot charge for:

> [...]

> education provided during school hours (including the supply of any materials, books, instruments or other equipment)

[1]: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5af99c8ae5274...

Ungh 52 minutes ago||
It’s an academy.
ianbicking 5 hours ago|||
Makes me wonder if you could point an agent at a school Google Classroom and get it to clean up all this stuff. It's roughly a storage platform, and those do accumulate cruft. An agent can go deep, actually understand the pieces, fix permissions, delete corrupted stuff that is also probably defunct, etc.
Ungh 5 hours ago|||
It’d be like giving a monkey a machine gun.

Most of what people do with it is muscle memory. Everyone would be instantly broken. They are if anyone changes or moves anything already.

whoanoway 4 hours ago||
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wetwater 2 hours ago|||
I sincerely hope this comment was made in jest.
cmiles74 4 hours ago|||
My kid has some mild attention issues, keeping track of assignments is only made more difficult by Google classrooms. Some assignments are in Google Classrooms, some are there but only placeholders as there was a handout, some aren't in there at all.
testplzignore 5 hours ago|||
> I have heard of entire subject lessons being wasted on IT issues. And children getting detention because something was broken.

It's good that schools are teaching kids how the real world works :)

Ungh 4 hours ago||
I’ve joked about that a couple of times as well :)

At least it’s not the raspberry Pi and programming fad which taught children to sift through boxes of damaged e-waste to assemble a working computer for the first 90% of the lesson.

expedition32 2 hours ago||
Teachers have been teaching kids to read and write for 5000 years.

But I suppose education is a business and they need to keep inventing new "methods".

vondur 5 hours ago||
To me it appears that they could have just logged directly to Canvas to get the file. And then it appears that files have been named poorly and perhaps either get the PowerPoint or put the files in Keynote.
mentalgear 4 hours ago||
The walled corporate garden - time to switch away from big tech.

https://occupysaas.com/ and OSS are the future.

slg 4 hours ago||
This feels both like a result of and an emblematic example of bureaucracy. I do believe that done right, technology like this can improve the educational experience. However, there's so many different moving parts and rules that come along with the technology that in practice the teacher would have been better off xeroxing the presentation to give students individual physical copies like we did 25+ years ago.
BobaFloutist 2 hours ago|
Bureaucracy is interesting. People love to blame it for outcomes, which is fair, but when there's a catastrophic outcome, (not necessarily the same) people will also say that there should have been a rule, or better yet, the process that lead to the outcome should not have been possible.

In the spirit of curiosity, when I run into an especially irritating piece of bureaucracy, I like to try to think of the problems it was crafted to avoid. While that will rarely convince me that the current system is the best possible one, it does often convince me that the problem is harder than I thought.

maccard 17 minutes ago||
I tried to figure out “how much annual leave does one of my staff members have left” today, in workday. The flow was roughly open bookmark, realise bookmark is just some sort of ephemeral link, get redirected back to workday, open okta, 2fa into okta (which I’ve done 3 times today), open workday, 2fa into workday (which is the same 2fa method as okta - yubikey), navigate through 4 different pages, only to be told that this person has X hours remaining for the period until 31/11/2026. It doesn’t show the balance rhey have left after what they’ve booked.

I ended up emailing HR to get an answer, and I’m reasonably certain my employer pays workday 500k+ per year for me to not be able to use the damn thing.

k2enemy 1 hour ago|
It reminds me of the emails I get from my kids' school. For example, an email from a teacher about the upcoming bake sale contains the first sentence or so, then a link read the rest. Click the link. Website with a login. Enter username and password. Then it requires 2FA. Asks if it should remember this computer (I say yes every time and it asks every time). Navigate through the website to the correct class. Find the email that was sent today. Click that email. Click on attachments. Get a PDF of the email.

Great, now I know the bake sale starts at 6:30.

Long term result, I no longer read emails from my kids' school.

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