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Posted by simonebrunozzi 5 hours ago

FM-1 Workbench(open.m-vave.com)
169 points | 94 commentspage 2
bovermyer 1 hour ago|
I've seen "FM-1" floating around lately, but didn't know what it was.

Where do I get one of these?

natebc 1 hour ago||
I got 3 on Amazon. So far no counterfeits!
jordand 1 hour ago||
Bought mine from AliExpress for $64
PUSH_AX 3 hours ago||
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if when you clicked “about” on a website, it would tell you about the website .
root9876 3 hours ago||
FM-1 is really nice because it's basically a platform with Bluetooth, WiFi, screen, speaker, audio out, usb, rechargeable battery, knobs and buttons in ready to use package. You can build anything with it (considering small CPU and ram).
lolive 3 hours ago|
Is there Doom already ?
s5ma6n 3 hours ago||
Of course :)

https://doom.deadlockinteractive.com/

hackingonempty 3 hours ago||
What API does this use that isn't available in Firefox?
moron4hire 3 hours ago|
Judging from the "Connect Device" button in the upper right corner, probably WebMIDI.
dyzone 4 hours ago||
What is the right way of thinking about frequency modulation for musicians? I know some of the maths but I can't operate the bitwig FM-4 synth. Do you just screw around with the thing until you can operate it?
EmX_3000 3 hours ago||
I find it essential to have a MIDI CC knob box of some kind with FM. My MPC works in this capacity, I also bought an external one. Most FM synths support a huge number of MIDI CCs and FM really comes alive if you twiddle with the knobs during patch design, same as with other synths.

This link is a great practical guide, which has you look at waveforms in an audio editor and clone them using FM, one operator at a time. He walks you through making clones of several real life instruments, 6 operators is enough to sound quite good and 8 is even better. FM has a reputation for being computer-y sounding but it doesn't need to be. A lot of that is just baggage from default patches introduced decades ago with that fresh '80s sound, those patches from the DX-7 are still on the newest Yamaha flagship workstations. And as everybody knows the grand majority of sounds you hear in music are barely- or not-tweaked presets.

https://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~pbarfuss/FM_Synthesis_of_Real_I...

olerich 4 hours ago|||
I recommend this video from mixed signals, it shows how a few commonly used and known fm sounds are made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S6NXIe_NyA
consumer451 4 hours ago||
This is great! Thanks!
hmstx 1 hour ago|||
I imagine you are vaguely familiar with subtractive synthesis; oscillators, filters, envelopes, modulation. It wouldn't hurt, although the building blocks are laid out differently in an FM synth.

Anyway, I found these hands-on demos on the DX1 to be some of the most "aha" moments I've had trying to understand how FM patches are made.

TLDR, an FM "operator" is an oscillator. A carrier is the oscillator you hear, its modulator is an oscillator that wiggles the carrier and brings out different harmonics. You can stack more modulators and you can have multiple carriers going in parallel, the various combinations of operators available in a synth being the different algorithms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV9vQGqoO5c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0xGyR_lKoM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-boGIxRZ_s

There was also one from Venus Theory about how to get musically useful stuff out of frequency/phase modulation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqc8rZnzTVI

wazoox 1 hour ago||
I bought two, one to try firmwares and one to stick with the one I prefer : at the time, it's the mighty OBERVAVE. Sounds huge !
ost-ing 2 hours ago||
The FM-1 is the hardware version of the millions of slop VSTs flooding the market and social media.

Everything comes at a cost. The entshitification of everything, the total lack of intention.

I’ve developed boutique hardware instruments and sold them to retailers around the world, so this affects me directly.

It removes financial incentives to do research and development in these areas because overnight someone can just duplicate or imitate your work.

And its the height of hypocrisy from artists to call out for copyright protections of music, but then simultaneously support vibe coded software thats been trained on data thats probably stolen.

I get the world is changing fast, but what its taught me is that people are ravenous and are willing to watch entire industries and maybe even society itself collapse if they think they can get a free short-term meal from it. Pretty disheartening

simjnd 2 hours ago|
I'm not sure this webpage replaces owning the FM-1 itself though? If you're interested in this page you're most likely interested in the FM-1 and/or already have one. There are millions of online samplers you can already use, the purpose of these devices isn't to do something necessarily unique, it's making music creation more tactile and constrained, and that's not something this webpage can do IMO.
shimman 4 hours ago||
This device is really cool. Started to get into music production with a dawless setup and with an FM-1 you can use DX7 patches and with some firmware choices you can turn a $50 machine into a groove box.

Think this bodes well for the future of Chinese consumer electronics. They have really been punching above their weight. Even the "cheap" guitar pedals are better than what you'd find with American/EU equivalent companies while being 60-80% cheaper.

Just a shame that Chinese workers are too often exploited.

varispeed 3 hours ago|
In the EU/US there are different costs of living, running a business and standards for employment. That is reflected in the price.

But as long it is cheap and you'll never visit China, then who cares that someone might be exploited there.

vegnus 3 hours ago|||
In terms of guitars, you can actually get better guitars for substantially cheaper from China. Should I pay more for less quality? Being "Made in USA" used to mean quality, but it doesn't anymore
varispeed 2 hours ago||
And?

You do understand that costs of making something in the West is different than in China? Some companies unfortunately have to compromise on quality to maintain price that is not outrageous when you compare to Chinese.

InsidiousWombat 3 hours ago|||
> In the EU/US there are different costs of living, running a business and standards for employment. That is reflected in the price.

...the price of made in china device that is just branded with EU/US brand ?

varispeed 2 hours ago||
I was not talking about resellers. Sure you can commission product in China with your own branding. That is like buying from Temu with extra steps.
lolive 3 hours ago||
Completely off topic, but if you are a boomer with an iOS device, there are PLENTY of electronic music apps [and emulators] on that platform too.

PS: and I mean PLENTY !

varispeed 3 hours ago|
I find it fascinating. Basically people get ability to run AI made crap vst plugins in a calculator sized box and yet they go crazy about it.

I wonder how long this will last.

This also got companies like Behringer an idea that they can just release the hardware and people will create firmware for free. Genius.

edit: that reminds me I actually bought one too, but forgot about it. Still unopened.

Blackthorn 58 minutes ago||
> yet they go crazy about it.

Well, of course. They're able to get the stuff they want to run off of the computer, and onto the device. Not everyone hates working in the box, but a lot of people do.

> This also got companies like Behringer an idea that they can just release the hardware and people will create firmware for free. Genius.

Honestly, this is great. Getting viable hardware with annoying shit like buttons and knobs is beyond the reach of a lot of developers, but writing software is not.

EmX_3000 3 hours ago||
I'm surprised there isn't a sturdy generic VST-runner box with an interface to configure the MIDI in / out and which VSTs will run. A sort of headless generic synth. My Roland VariOS synth from ages ago which I got for like $50 works like this, you use a WIN32 or Classic Mac computer to load and configure the various synths (it has a couple emulators or workalikes for older synths, plus a crazy synth that chops up and munges incoming audio under MIDI control) and then you only need to power the 1U rack mounted module unless you're designing patches, in which case you have to attach a computer.

Something like this but for VSTs would be killer.

Blackthorn 57 minutes ago|||
This exists for CLAP: https://cdm.link/sndstation-linux-distro-for-game-handhelds/; you can watch a preview of what one of the authors created for it here: https://youtu.be/0cHvzRsJg-A.

A couple of these exist in guitar pedal form for lv2 (which is a dead format): Mod Audio Dwarf, and pistomp.

Nothing for VST3 that I'm aware of. Maybe the new Akai stuff?

anigbrowl 55 minutes ago||||
There have been a whole bunch of them, and most of them fail because they spend so much effort on getting the box and the screen running with low-no latency that the actual control surface is usually an afterthought. Touchscreens are absolute ass for performance but most engineers don't appreciate that you need some sort of note input, at least 16 buttons to function as a sequencer, and at least rotary encoders, and they have to be good encoders because musicians get carried away when they're jamming.
diskzero 3 hours ago|||
There is/was; the Muse Research Receptor. It might be overly complex for what you are thinking of, but it existed.

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/muse-research-receptor

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/muse-research-receptor-...

You can pick them up, often fully loaded with plugins, for a few hundred dollars. I wrote parts of the system. They were running Linux and fun to hack on.

I currently work in the professional audio industry and know of a few modern efforts underway to produce modern version of this, but I am not convinced there is market for such a device anymore.

EmX_3000 3 hours ago||
That's a really cool. It doesn't look overly-complicated, just perfect actually. I might keep my eyes peeled for one of these things, I love scrounging around for old MIDI gear. Used to be a lot cheaper than it is these days, ironically. Build quality on most everything was top notch too.

I'm sure a lot of professional musicians would probably prefer to use something less fragile than a laptop, something you can rack up, with no pesky desktop OS niggles to worry about during a show. As you know many instruments today are simply dedicated VST runners with a handy physical interface, see Roland's Boutique and Aira synths. I have an MPC One which I love, it can run proprietary VSTs. Maybe such convergences have killed the need for a dedicated box.

diskzero 2 hours ago||
They are super cool! Look on Reverb. As I said, you sometimes end up with some fully licensed, expensive plugins as well. A lot of us can probably survive being a couple of versions behind.

I know for a fact new devices like this are on the horizon, but it just might not be the form factor that you are looking for.

EmX_3000 2 hours ago||
For me the main issue is the VST-as-a-service model which is already taking over. I don't sub or micro-transact. The Roland VariOS thing I have had very expensive instruments too, luckily mine came with the CF card with all the ones which exist. I've never hooked my MPC up to the Internet to get VSTs either, I'm quite happy with what I have actually. I have been fiddling with electronic music for a long long time, and I remember when VSTs hit the scene, I got VST-itis and must have pirated everything under the sun but that leads to choice paralysis (same as getting all the MAME ROMs back in the day). Now I'm happier getting more out of what I have by using my brain a bit. Having generic USB MIDI on the MPC has been amazing though, everything is so much tighter without having to daisy-chain and even Roger Linn is impressed by how tight the timing is. 9 ins and outs is incredible, if I need more I just attach another generic USB MIDI interface.

It's actually a golden age for the MIDI fan but there's a lot of complaining to be done too about aspects of it. Cheapness and hooking you to a store being two big ones.

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