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Posted by speckx 3 hours ago

Big tech is here to let us down(blog.jsweeting.me)
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singpolyma3 3 hours ago|
Blaming every downtime on "vibecoding, probably" is so weird and lazy. As if these places never had downtime previously
recursive 2 hours ago||
Lazy maybe, but not weird at all. Probably true most of the time.
Legend2440 2 hours ago||
You have no evidence for that. You just wish it was AI's fault because you hate AI and hope it comes back to bite them.
FromTheFirstIn 2 hours ago||
Surely if you use LLMs to write code the evidence that they cause problems is all around you every day? Don’t you see it in every PR?
recursive 31 minutes ago||
> Don’t you see it in every PR?

PRs without problems don't really grant any credit against those with problems. I see it it a fraction of PRs. Seeing it sometimes is enough to establish evidence.

p2detar 2 hours ago|||
Indeed, given that there was a post this spring by ex-Microsoft employee on the poor state of Azure.

"The team had reached a point where it was too risky to make any code refactoring or engineering improvements. I submitted several bug fixes and refactoring, notably using smart pointers, but they were rejected for fear of breaking something."

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47616242

mglvsky 2 hours ago|||
Sure, those takes are mostly lazy (some of my comments here included TBH). Although I have very weird feeling, that current zeitgeist is about "coding is solved", etc and the same time we have evidence that didn't help much regarding boring thing such as reliability
quikoa 2 hours ago|||
Trying to control the narrative this way by preemptively talking about vibecoding is so weird and lazy.
ibn_khaldun 14 minutes ago||
> You have to wait for Microsoft to find a competent employee who wasn't let go to try and fix what was broken by some inept leftover who was deluded enough to think that Copilot can do everything.

From the submitted blog post.

gonzalohm 2 hours ago|||
Right but according to some here AI is creating vast amounts of high quality code that should have given us 100% uptime in every service

Right?

As opposed to a pile of unmaintainable shit

win311fwg 1 hour ago||
AI does what you ask of it, so, just like when humans wrote the code by hand, some will take time to carefully build systems to validate their work and others will do anything to get the job done as quickly and lazily as possible. It is all but certain that some people will have AIs producing good, reliable code, with others producing mountains of garbage.
gonzalohm 57 minutes ago||
And how are people (specially juniors) going to learn what's good code and what's bad without ever writing a line of code
win311fwg 35 minutes ago||
In the olden days some never learned, but those that did tried things, failed, and then build systems to prevent making the same mistakes again.

I don't see what's different today. Some will never learn, but of those who do they'll try things, fail, and then build systems to prevent making those same mistakes again.

AI thrives within those systems.

shimman 2 hours ago|||
MSFT stated that they went all in on AI and had a key metric of generating more than a million LOC per developer at MSFT.

Now they have an outage that should honestly result in people going to prison, at some point we have to question leadership's ability to... well lead because unless something drastically changes I don't think society wants to deal with a massive transnational trillion+ corporation with various monopolies that controls many aspects of our lives if they're going to continue to give us shit service.

warmwaffles 1 hour ago|||
I'm blaming the enshitification of absolutely everything. AI or not, it's all just become bloated piles of code.
vinyl7 1 hour ago||
Using AI is lazy. Lazy creators get lazy responses.
librasteve 1 hour ago||
https://omarchy.org is the Windows killer. https://omasheet.org the Excel poison.
usernametaken29 46 minutes ago||
> how indebted the Global North has become to Microsoft and its enshittified services

I wish it’d be only global north boomers but India and much of South East Asia also runs on freaking M$ and not unlikely that excel is big in China too.

ArcHound 3 hours ago||
I'm probably going to get a lot of flak here, but if the damages are that all emails have to wait for a day twice in a year, then that's quite a good product.

While we can engineer a system with better availability, seems the market is quite ok with one or two nines for this.

So the trick would be not to make anything truly critical depend on such a service. And no, payroll is not enough, I'm talking OT.

busymom0 2 hours ago|
In the current world, a lot of things like 2FA depend upon emails. So emails not working means not being able to sign into systems.
ArcHound 2 hours ago||
I'm going to double down on this. You can live 24 hours without logging into company SharePoint or without checking a business dashboard. Truly important systems should have a break glass account for these reasons.
hoppp 3 hours ago||
Many EU countries started moving away.. and then failed to do so and doubled down on Microsoft again.
ggm 2 hours ago|
That's kind of a partial misstatement. There's a huge problem in some parts of the stack, and there's massive (entirely legal) inducements to reattach to the Redmond teat.

There's only warm fuzzies for helping fix or find OSS but the drive for resilient systems hasn't died.

Other bits of the stack are fine. It's not a flat world.

hoppp 2 hours ago||
That's a good way to say nothing. I did not understand your comment.

I know Germany wanted to migrate to Linux but decided to stick to Windows after all.

Same in Sweden, they tried moving away, but then gave up.

Both were headlines a while ago.

okanat 15 minutes ago||
Germany and Sweden are not China. They have extremely federalized governments. They are also part of the US-based economic system with a lot of neoliberal principles. Their voters pay a lot of tax and they do not really want to pay the price of going fully independent. Microsoft as many US companies got an edge in the 90s due to DoD contracts and corporate contracts. There are many European companies whose systems are deeply tied into Microsoft (one example, the whole restricted info labeling system of Siemens was deeply integrated with Office 365, SharePoint and Exchange when I worked there)

Basically migrating away from Microsoft has always a significant cost even for partial replacements. The democratic systems and shareholder pressure makes it hard to keep long-term projects going in the Western countries and companies. Choosing Microsoft has never costed an election nor caused significant share price but going against it has economic and legal risks.

So without a dictating government with nuclear reasons, you will not get enough pressure to move away.

cisc 3 hours ago||
> Now, are Microsoft going to offer any compensation for either lost business or additional accrued costs?

The NSA lost control of EternalBlue which resulted in billions of dollars of economic damage globally:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EternalBlue

They didn't offer any compensation either.

paimapi 3 hours ago||
I do hope for a future where LLMs are so good at patching zero-days that the NSA and all other nation-state 'cyberwarfare' departments (ie software privateers) lose most their capability.
redanddead 3 hours ago|||
Zero-days are the least of our worries in the late 2020s and early 2030s
Legend2440 3 hours ago||||
On the other hand, nation-states will be able to run massive GPU clusters full of LLMs dedicated to cyberwarfare. They certainly have the resources to do it.

Imagine the Huggingface incident, but with an agent swarm that's deliberately malicious instead of just misaligned.

sublinear 2 hours ago|||
Cyberwarfare isn't generally about hacking or stealing data. It's more like a footrace to a chessboard.

Most of the analysis and summary that demands LLMs is public data... massive amounts of data. Otherwise, it wouldn't be "warfare". It would just be spying.

myth_drannon 2 hours ago||||
yes, that's why US is so keen on preventing China getting the gpus. And Israel is so bent on all AI. Trumendous advantages over the countries like Iran who will have to basically become hermit kingdoms to protect themselves.
nullsanity 2 hours ago|||
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LastTrain 2 hours ago|||
Seems just as likely that LMMs will have the opposite effect.
moffkalast 2 hours ago||
> The NSA was aware of this vulnerability but did not disclose it to Microsoft for several years, as it intended to use the exploit

This is why agents discovering vulns en masse is pretty great in the long run, it gets ahead of these sort of malicious hoarding shitheads with more resources than ethics.

palata 2 hours ago||
Unless those who have access to the agents discovering the advance vulns are few, and those who have access to the agents writing vulnerable code are many, right?

That's the same situation as before AI: many developers don't have time/resources/expertise to prevent the advanced exploits, and few very advanced players do.

nikisweeting 3 hours ago||
Holy cow another Sweeting! I wonder if we are related?

Edit: and you've spent time in Shanghai too! Small world!

disce-pati 3 hours ago|
tangentially i happen to know someone with the last name Sweet. i wonder if it diverged somewhere along the way.
bix6 3 hours ago||
Feels like we are entering the fall of this crop of mega corps. Between Apple’s absolutely garbage software, Microsoft’s complete incompetence, and Meta’s endless lawsuits… finally time for a little creative destruction?
karmakurtisaani 2 hours ago|
Don't forget the reckless data center spend. To me that's the most likely candidate for their fall.
photochemsyn 3 hours ago||
When your necessary compute is controlled by rentier capitalists, and you’ve had the option to switch to compute not controlled by rentier capitalists for years, who do you really have to blame but yourself?
stego-tech 3 hours ago|
I’ve been enjoying a piping hot cup of “I told you so” every morning this week, it feels like.

“Microsoft is too big to go down, why do we need a redundancy?” Another round, barkeep.

“Amazon won’t ever have downtime, they’re huge! Our workloads are much safer there.” Make that two, what with MEC1-AZ2 being a smoking hole.

“Why would we need backups when these providers offer us a five-nines SLA?” Sorry, make that three, since Google’s EU-WEST-2-B AZ lost power and its redundancies failed to start.

Now don’t get me wrong, nothing is perfect or bulletproof. That being said, the more eggs you put into a single basket, the more of them get damaged if something happens to said basket.

Everyone lost the plot on backups, redundancy, and diversification in favor of single, “do it all” providers and hyperscalers.

What could possibly go wrong?

SturgeonsLaw 3 hours ago||
I hope any Microsoft infra greyboards who were canned during these recent rounds of layoffs are feeling deservedly content as they watch what's left of Microsoft hoisting itself by its own petard.

It's clear from the wording of the updates that Microsoft took the better part of a day to even figure out what was happening, and that they're throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks, instead of following the kind of precise recovery plan that they would have had, had they understood their own systems.

0xDECAFC0FFEE 2 hours ago|||
> MEC1-AZ2 being a smoking hole.

What do you expect amz to do about the drone strikes haha.

if you absolutely needed your servers in an active war zone for some reason cant imagine you'd have five 9s either

stego-tech 2 hours ago||
Oh, I don’t expect anything from Amazon after their first such wartime incident.

That being said, I do distinctly remember being called an alarmist for warning that if a plurality of compute is in one physical area, and said compute serves a large amount of customers, then that space is a gigantic soft target.

“Nobody is going to attack a datacenter, stego-tech, you’re being completely unreasonable.”

Mmm, delicious schadenfreude.

classified 3 hours ago||
"It seemed like a good idea at the time", especially when the people holding the purse strings think it's cheaper that way. So we drive without a safety belt because a safety belt would cost money.