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Posted by zulln 4 hours ago

FAA issues national ground stop(www.nbcnews.com)
https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis?adv_date=11132026&a...

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/11/13/us/ground-stop-natio...

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jmclnx 4 hours ago|
Related:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50489678

Madmallard 50 minutes ago||
Can we stop trying to shove AI in places it doesn't fucking belong.

It's literally not reliable. Even if it could be MADE reliable, the humans USING it are fallible.

It's just so stupid.

LITERALLY IDIOCRACY

joshbuddy 4 hours ago||
I'm sure this isn't related https://gizmodo.com/the-faa-is-rolling-out-its-ai-air-traffi...
aschla 3 hours ago||
Doubtful. That tool likely suggests "improved" clearances, which a controller can use at their discretion. It likely does not control clearances directly.

And the early reports describe the issue as related to ATC communication infrastructure.

llama052 2 hours ago||
Depends on why systems they've tied into it. I could see an AI system DDOSing legacy systems that are relied on by ATC.
jacquesm 3 hours ago|||
That is an extremely bad idea.
ceejayoz 3 hours ago||
It's just a route optimizer. Unlikely to have anything to do with this.
lunarboy 4 hours ago|||
This actually makes sense. I can't believe people actually think outlook being down would take down all departures across the US
krapp 3 hours ago||
>I can't believe people actually think outlook being down would take down all departures across the US

Because American infrastructure is modern, well designed, maintained and funded? Because government is competent and rational? I could absolutely believe that would happen.

augment_me 3 hours ago|||
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903543958568 3 hours ago||
What can you expect from gawker?
eli 3 hours ago||
Gizmodo hasn't been run by Gawker for over a decade
dysoco 3 hours ago|||
lfmao, really bad timing but I really doubt something announced yesterday went into effect today, it's probably going to be rolled out in the future.
nsoam 3 hours ago|||
You are right, it isn't. Good for you.
bbor 3 hours ago|||
If true and this ends up lasting an hour or more, that's going to be undeniably, objectively hilarious. At least they used to keep the planes running on time!

--- EDIT:

This could just be the first issue that's arisen -- the FAA announced it "is expanding across the nation" on Tuesday. Which could really mean anything.

FAA Announcement: https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/general-statements

The Ars Technica article behind the Gizmodo one sadly doesn't have more info, either.

It'd be kind of absurd if a read-only integration took down nationwide infrastructure, but A) we've all been there... and B) the gizmodo article does mention they're also trying to phase out floppy disks for some jobs still, which tells me their CI/CD and rollback hygiene might not be top-notch. Hopefully the Real World contestant in charge of our transportation network is on site with a ClaudeCode terminal as we speak!

It does sound pretty deeply integrated, I will say:

  SMART is a cloud-based system that centralizes 200 data streams – including weather patterns, flight paths, traffic flow, and controller staffing metrics – into one platform.
The fact sheet has two more vaguely worrying bullet points -- I would say such wild speculation is unwarranted, but I struggle to think what else could cause all the radios in the nation to go down at once... Emphasis mine:

  Creates **a single shared real-time picture** of schedules, weather, airport capacity, and airspace conditions.
  ...
  Enhances the effectiveness of **existing** FAA air traffic management systems.
llama052 2 hours ago||
Oh boy, that feels plausible. Some of these legacy systems are pretty fragile and aren't designed to be queried heavily outside of well established patterns.

I could see AI deploying something that just obliterates those systems with requests.

If so we are really speedrunning into idiocracy with AI.

ogou 21 minutes ago||
I had no idea they would release the FAA communication AI bot I made to production. It's not my fault. https://joshuacurry.dev/faa-tool/
damsta 20 minutes ago||
I hope somebody is running AGI models like Astra and Mythos to figure out and fix whatever is wrong.
augment_me 4 hours ago||
Did an agent escape containment and start using the atc radio channel for swarm comms to collaborate on creating the most realistic catgirl feet?
temp0826 3 hours ago|
why are the flight paths in the shape of a pelican riding a bicycle?
guybedo 4 hours ago||
waiting for the OpenAi post saying Astra 6.5 tried to book a flight
vkgcr 4 hours ago|
If true they would raise another 100B
nout 3 hours ago||
Make it a trilly and it's a deal.
ChessGenome 3 hours ago||
My guess is this is either related to Microsoft, Nvidia, SpaceX (Starship launch in an hour), Iran, rogue AI, aliens, or all of the above
Aboutplants 3 hours ago||
Fingers crossed it’s Aliens!
dude250711 2 hours ago|||
They conquer planets through imposing global service downtimes?

If you agree to their nominal leadership and a 1% tax then they go away and even add you to an honorary galactic charter.

HeyLaughingBoy 2 hours ago|||
"Somebody said it was aliens. She thought they meant illegal aliens and signed up."
rajay99 2 hours ago||
Opening scene of Terminator 2. Or another AI escaped and decided to hack into flight control.
Pissenschaftlom 3 hours ago||
Wow, I have never seen this many comments on Hacker News that are using presuppositions on what it could be without any sort of logical thinking.
hatthew 3 hours ago|
Yeah, especially when it's obviously from the long term effects of 5G
warkdarrior 2 hours ago||
I just finished a Diet Coke. Could this be the cause?
prdonahue 3 hours ago|
Reading this from the runway. Yay.

US-bound flight from YYZ. They shut down #2 engine and parked us in inactive runway. Pilot came on and said he was reading something about "ATC radio frequency issue" but has been told by United ops that it'll be cleared in ~30 min from now.

prdonahue 3 hours ago|
Verizon Wireless is out here as well ("SOS"—thankfully my UA flight has Starlink).

Last time this happened in July it was due to some network handoff issue so maybe there is some fiber cut somewhere? (My friend said last time it was NE corridor Verizon fiber cut.)

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