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Posted by zulln 3 hours ago

FAA issues national ground stop(www.nbcnews.com)
https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis?adv_date=11132026&a...

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/11/13/us/ground-stop-natio...

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binsquare 2 hours ago|
Likely Atc system outage, saw this at Chicago

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/ground-stop-chicago-oha...

DebtDeflation 2 hours ago||
https://www.weather.gov/afc/radaroutage
12_throw_away 2 hours ago||
All I see here is "This page is no longer maintained or updated". Did they update it or sthg?
DebtDeflation 1 hour ago||
Yeah, looks like they just updated it.
eli 2 hours ago|||
I really really doubt that's related. Seems like the website just broke.
DebtDeflation 1 hour ago||
https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-national-weather-servi...

>The US National Weather Service said on Friday it was experiencing nationwide internet and communications problems that could prevent users from accessing products on its websites or cause outdated information to be displayed. Technicians were working to resolve the problems as soon as possible, the NWS said in a statement.

silver92bullet 2 hours ago|||
Are the radars utilizing a shared asset with the radio systems?
brendoelfrendo 2 hours ago|||
They say "national outage," but if I go to the site for my area, my local weather radar seems to be working.
inamberclad 2 hours ago||
Yes because it's not weather radar, it's communication radio
aschla 2 hours ago|||
And even if it was radar-related, weather radar is entirely different from ATC radar.
camdenreslink 2 hours ago||
So strange
jondwillis 2 hours ago||
Oh cool, I’m on a plane rn about an hour from my destination.

Edit) landed pretty uneventfully.

hysan 2 hours ago||
My wife's plane was about to take off (moving) but then stopped. I just messaged her to check once I saw the news. Sounds like the people onboard weren't given any info as to why. They're still on the runway waiting.
1-6 2 hours ago|||
Hello from the ground
onionisafruit 2 hours ago||
I can see my house from here
loloquwowndueo 2 hours ago||
Gooba gaba
polarsanel 1 hour ago||
Physics says all planes land. I guess eventfully would be diversion (maybe to Canada lol) or Mayday Fuel (but you probably won't know it happened anyway - it just means some reserve fuel will be used).
Animats 2 hours ago||
Use this link for latest advisory: https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/

Current as of 1340 PDT:

    ATCSCC ADVZY 117 DCC 11/13/2026 ALL CENTERS EXTENDED FLIGHT PLAN DROP TIMES IMPLEMENTED

    MESSAGE: 
 

    EVENT TIME: 13/2120 - 14/0500
    CONSTRAINED FACILITIES: ZTL
    DCC HAS IMPLEMENTED EXTENDED FLIGHT PLAN DROP TIMES TO 240 MINUTES
    FOR ALL ENROUTE CENTERS DUE TO NATIONWIDE COMMS FAILURE. 
 

    EFFECTIVE TIME: 132121-140530

    SIGNATURE: 26/11/13 21:21
Animats 1 hour ago||
Update:

    ATCSCC ADVZY 120 DCC 11/13/2026 NATIONWIDE GROUND STOP

    MESSAGE: 
 

    EVENT TIME: 13/2245 - 14/0400
    DESTINATION AIRPORT:ALL
    FACILITIES INCLUDED: ALL
    EXPECT UPDATE:0400Z
    REASON: COMMUNICATIONS FAILURE           
    REMARKS: THE FAA COMMAND CENTER GROUND STOP REMAINS IN EFFECT. AS
    ENROUTE FACILITIES RECOVER, FLIGHTS WILL BE ALLOWED TO DEPART
    THROUGH COORDINATION WITH THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEM COMMAND
    CENTER. 

    EFFECTIVE TIME: 132246-140430

    SIGNATURE: 26/11/13 22:46
Animats 2 hours ago|||
As of 1345, "No ADVISORY Available for today."

There's a query form for looking up old advisories, and it's not returning anything for the last 15 days.

ryanisnan 2 hours ago|||
What does this mean? "DCC HAS IMPLEMENTED EXTENDED FLIGHT PLAN DROP TIMES TO 240 MINUTES FOR ALL ENROUTE CENTERS DUE TO NATIONWIDE COMMS FAILURE."
geocrasher 2 hours ago|||
It means that flight plans (which include departure time) will stay in the system longer after the departure times are missed, so that IFR flight plans will not need to be re-filed. In other words, flight plans have a longer TTL.

This will ease the pain of getting things moving again, assuming they fix it by the time the 4hr window passes.

Animats 2 hours ago|||
Normally, a flight plan must be filed with the FAA no later than 60 minutes before it's needed. That's been extended to 240 minutes.

So the flight planning system is having problems.

tjohns 2 hours ago||
You can definitely file a flight plan later than that. 30 minutes before departure is the recommended filing time (per AIM 5-1-6), but you can even file for an immediate departure. It's just that at less then 30 minutes additional delay is possible, depending on backend handling and human processing. But in most cases the strip will print within a minute or two of submitting the flight plan.

But also, this is about when the flight plans expire out of the system if they're not activated for departure - so it's saying unused flight plans won't be deleted for 4 hours, so pilots won't have to refile for departure.

pandemic_region 2 hours ago||
Why do all avionic systems communicate in caps?
tjohns 1 hour ago|||
Most of these systems started out as teletype printers, back in the day. The teletype systems only had an all-caps character set.

Aviation is global, and we still need to interop with countries and airports that still use actual teletype. So the legacy protocols still remain, even though much of it is tunneled over IP links now.

Also: The keyboards used in both airplanes and in ATC facilities are often special reduced-footprint keyboards without shift/caps keys. (They're also often ABC layout rather than QWERTY.) So there's that, too.

shrx 40 minutes ago||
Does anyone still use actual teletype?
tjohns 29 minutes ago||
Actual teletype machines? No. (Though flight strip printers used at ATC consoles are basically mini teletype printers.)

However, AFTN (used for disseminating flight plans and weather between ATC facilities) still uses landline modems running TTY-originated protocols.

In the US we've moved moved off AFTN in favor of AMHS/X.400, as have most countries - but my understanding is there's still some last holdouts that haven't fully switched over.

Symbiote 1 hour ago|||
So they can be heard over the engine noise.
mlmonkey 24 minutes ago||
Looks like flights are taking off again, at least from SFO. I just heard a flight takeoff ( JAL57 ) : https://imgur.com/cEUDZZk
schoen 22 minutes ago|
Per other reports, only headed west over the ocean, not to destinations requiring flying over other continental airspace.
mlmonkey 21 minutes ago||
Ah, didn't know that. I heard the plane pass overhead and got excited that the issue had been resolved :-D
cout 2 hours ago||
Related? https://nasstatus.faa.gov/ has a notice:

We are experiencing technical difficulties. We apologize for the inconvenience but please check back soon, as we are working to have the issues resolved.

Thank you, FAA Web Operations Team

12_throw_away 2 hours ago||
likely just a self-inflicted DDOS as the entire world starts accessing various FAA websites to try to figure out wtf is going on
cobychapple 2 hours ago|||
hugged to death
tiffanyh 1 hour ago||
From earlier this week on HN:

“FAA says it will phase out floppy disks from air traffic control”

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50388001

precision1k 1 hour ago|
Put the floppy disk back in!
VladVladikoff 1 hour ago||
dumb question but do the airport gates get "too full" if all plans are grounded? Do airports sort of expect some constant turnover to have enough open gates to service everything? Do you end up with a line of plans waiting for a gate?
12_throw_away 52 minutes ago||
Very, very much yes. Most busy airports will start having problems with gate capacity due to just normal delays. We definitely don't have the capacity to have every active flight in the country parked at a gate.
firsthummus 51 minutes ago|||
Based on my current experience on the ground at AUS, yes.

Gates were quickly full, ground ops to pull empty planes off gates takes quite a while, and about 90 mins later, we are pulling into our scheduled gate.

polarsanel 1 hour ago||
Not an expert but my guess:

They don't spend a dollar more than they need to so extra gates for this would be quite the luxury. I guess what they need though is apron space or hangar space for the extra planes and the number of gates won't matter so much.

AngryData 1 hour ago||
Maybe just paranoia but it seems slightly suspicious for this to happen while we are in the middle of discussing massive funding and overhauls to the air traffic control systems. This will certainly end up pushing a lot more funding into these programs and companies now that were trying to sell more expensive systems.
Waterluvian 1 hour ago|
I don’t think you’re paranoid to recognize that something desperately in need of funding is suffering the consequences of a lack of funding.
AngryData 1 hour ago||
I guess we will see what happened in the aftermath. But I very much doubt the current problem has anything to do with a lack of funding.

And I don't see anyone arguing about overall funding, only arguing about who to throw millions or billions of additional dollars at chasing vague ideas of how to improve things based on what politicians and C-suites, who have no experience in the area, claim they can do. To me it looks more like grifting for contracts and kickbacks than any well thought out plans to improve things.

sccxy 2 hours ago|
Microsoft Copilot went down?
NSUserDefaults 2 hours ago|
Flight Simulator as well.
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