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Posted by simonebrunozzi 5 hours ago

Will we put data centers in space?(www.forethought.org)
45 points | 138 commentspage 2
thepryz 36 minutes ago|
Outside of the physical, technical, and maintenance challenges of putting data centers in space, I simply don’t want more trash littering the night sky.

https://youtu.be/yZpbJJLk1ug

flowerlad 2 hours ago||
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build a nuclear plant to power data centers than to launch the data centers into space? Nuclear is expensive, but rockets, orbital infrastructure, and giant cooling radiators aren't exactly budget options.
sroussey 2 hours ago||
Aalo Atomic is working with datacenter maker Crusoe.
rightnutwingjob 1 hour ago||
There isn’t really any other option than nuclear.

Solar & wind can’t power industry.

jiggawatts 1 hour ago|||
That’s just not true. For the same cost as a nuclear plant of some rated power, you can build far more solar, wind, and batteries.

The pro-nuclear propaganda is suspiciously associated with people with a history of also wanting to build nuclear weapons. The Liberal Party of Australia is an example — they seem very interested in overpriced nuclear power and obtaining nuclear powered subs capable of launching nuclear tipped missiles.

Cost comparison: https://chatgpt.com/share/6af8ce92-bd10-83ec-88be-1f61051091...

pfdietz 1 hour ago|||
Well named account. I assume it's a parody account.

Nuclear needs to get down to a capex of maybe $3/W to have a chance. This is a very big ask.

kaonwarb 4 hours ago||
Remarkably few comments are engaging with the actual assumptions, arguments, and calculations in the article. Beware vibes, in both directions!
runarberg 1 hour ago||
I don‘t think both sides are equal though. The vibes on one side is the default assumption that this is a dumb idea and is never going to work. The vibes on the other side goes against traditional wisdom but it will somehow work anyway.

Vibing with the default assumption is cheap, and it should be cheap. While we have no reason to believe otherwise there is no reason to go looking for a lot of evidence for why we are right. Everybody believes so, so why bother convincing us right? Vibes are enough until proven otherwise.

Vibing against the default assumption is expensive, and it should be expensive. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and all that. Your job is to prove that you are right, that the traditional wisdom is wrong, and that everybody has to change their mind. Vibing in this direction is not nearly enough. In fact, the vibes in this direction are worth nothing.

red-iron-pine 1 hour ago||
i heard someone say the same thing about thranos even after it was looking clear that they were shady
K3UL 1 hour ago||
Google's paper on their Suncatcher project (where they recently put their TPU in orbit and received a response from a prompt) is pretty interesting to read:

https://www.cell.com/joule/fulltext/S2542-4351(26)00362-4

Their blogpost is more "marketing-ish" but the videos are worth a watch too:

https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/go...

ryanmcbride 1 hour ago||
We barely even have functioning trains or planes.
beloch 42 minutes ago||
The discussion of cooling in this piece is more convincing than I would have expected, but there remains a glaring social problem:

Should we consider orbit to be outside of terrestrial tax jurisdiction?

The majority of the cost of putting these data centres into orbit would be borne by terrestrial jurisdictions. The places that built institutions, funded education, provide medical care, etc. for the people who built these things. The environmental impact of building these data centres and launching them will be paid by those living on Earth's surface.

On Earth, we often fail to recoup many of these costs because of out-sourcing, but at least some other jurisdiction benefits. If a poor country is lifted up by the benefits of out-sourcing, at least some good has been done. If we let billionaires simply blast off and evade taxes, that's a net loss to the societies that made this possible with no benefit to anyone but the billionaires. That's fundamentally wrong.

Space may belong to no one nation, but neither is it true that space belongs to no one at all. The space around Earth belongs to all of humanity. Orbital data centres should pay terrestrial taxes. It's not clear where those taxes should go, but we need to hammer out the laws to make sure they are paid.

Marsymars 9 minutes ago|
You can tax the owners on the profits. (Or the revenue, absent profit, if you want to be punitive.)
berkes 54 minutes ago||
Wouldn't it be far cheaper to put DCs in offshore windmill parks? You have the power, cooling water abundant, fewer "NIMBY" than onshore DCs?

Is this already done?

joe_the_user 36 minutes ago|
All these wild plans are pretty funny given hyperscalers won't even "in the middle of nowhere" in the US but rather they put their sites in the edge of exist industrial areas with the aim to repurpose every bit of industrial infrastructure plus aiming to get all the incentives these small town (corruptly imo) offer industries for relocation.

I mean, the US could have a rational process of building new energy infrastructure (which should be only solar, wind and nuclear imo) but the actual process is opportunistic and haphazard. So it's not strange to see the NIMBYs biting them. It's like "well if you hadn't a d*k, this might not be happening to you..."

tonnydourado 3 hours ago||
There's a lot of long shot assumptions here, but I feel the biggest is $250/kg launch costs (let alone $100 or $50).
boelboel 2 hours ago|
The long shot assumptions are only really applied in one direction as well, never really in favour of earth DCs.
fierycatnet 1 hour ago||
How feasible would that be? Don't we have to bring down some satellites from the orbit at some point? How would that work if space datacenter has a limited time use?
alcomatt 1 hour ago|
What happens to all the rare earth materials once the space DC have been decommissioned? Isn't it a horrible waste of the already hard to come-by resources to send it to a disposable trash heap in space, all in the name of forever chasing profits?
pfdietz 1 hour ago|
What rare earth materials? Are you referring to Shellenberger's BS that PV uses rare earths?
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