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Posted by craigkerstiens 10/22/2024

The Japanese word ikigai refers to a passion that gives joy to life (2022)(www.japan.go.jp)
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kaycebasques 10/25/2024|
Is this term actually used widely through Japanese culture or are they just riding the popularity train? E.g. if I'm in a "planning your future career" class in a high school in Japan, is the concept of ikigai going to come up?
blargey 10/25/2024||
It's a normal word/concept that everyone's familiar with.

As for career planning, I don't think it's very relevant. The sorta-equivalent sayings like "do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life!" tend to be used in a way that puts existing preferences and interests first, and everything else as a consequence of it. The way I'd think of "ikigai" in a career context, the work being meaningful (as in the opposite of a "bullshit job") is what comes first. Since it's meaningful, it's something the world needs, so you can get paid for it. Since it's the opposite of a bullshit job, you're motivated to devote the time and effort and attention to be(come) good at it. A job well-done is satisfying. So I'd envision it as something you settle into, rather than plan ahead with your guidance counselor equivalent.

It's also not necessarily a word specific to jobs/careers in the first place, and in a literal sense only means "I live for this" / "it's worth living for". The rest is a recent fixation by writers.

mcqueenjordan 10/26/2024|||
Most Japanese people do not use this term, and I'm fairly certain most Japanese people don't even really know the word. This is one of those "Big in Japan" things, except, uh, "Big outside Japan".

Source: live in Japan, have asked Japanese people around me if they know about this concept (that is popular in USA). Usually hear: へ〜、全然知らない。

mcqueenjordan 10/27/2024||
The topic came up again and maybe this has been changing lately. I downgrade my above comment. I still think that it got popular in the U.S. first and then propagated back to Japan but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Ferret7446 10/25/2024|||
It's a normal term, but I'm not familiar with it being used like this. This does smell like a "self improvement" marketing push.

The Japanese Wikipedia article seems to heavily cite Western sources as the origin for this usage.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%94%9F%E3%81%8D%E7%94%B2%E6...

Back in reality, the word is more commonly used in the expression 生き甲斐がある (ikigai ga aru) which means roughly "Life is good", "I'm glad to be alive", which you might use after sipping a really good beer for example.

anigbrowl 10/25/2024|||
No. It's just lifestyle marketing.
senectus1 10/26/2024||
I think I have an issue with knowing what I love.

I dont actually know what I love, so I'm not sure I can ever find Ikigai in my life...

agumonkey 10/26/2024||
How to balance ikigai with society ? being averaged by groups and stuck in norms is probably the number one reason daily life is the opposite of ikigai.
sweeter 10/25/2024||
have hobbies and goals and participate in community activities... I don't know how I feel about platitudes like this. On one hand, it is obviously true and doing this things will make you feel better... but at the same time I think most people already understand this and its not a matter of simply not knowing that this is a helpful thing to do.
999900000999 10/26/2024||
According to this, if I ever make a living off music I'd be in paradise.

Too bad Suno can crank out weird lofi beats faster than I can...

mark_l_watson 10/25/2024||
I read the book referenced in the article. Recommended!

Simple but effective ideas. Similar in vibe to the book The Four Agreements.

silcoon 10/26/2024||
I like how the sets in the articles show that you cannot love your profession
hindsightbias 10/25/2024||
Seems like someone would be lucky to have the intersection of three or four.
chengiz 10/26/2024||
Do you know why people in Okinawa and Sardinia have great longevity? Is it Ikigai, or living simple village life, or eating maggot infested cheese? No, it's because of lack of record keeping, specifically families keeping people "alive" to collect pensions:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/704080v3

csallen 10/26/2024||
Response from some blue zone demographers to the paper you linked: https://www.bluezones.com/news/are-supercentenarian-claims-b...

It begins, "The pre-print is not new data, research, or a study. It is a theory – an opinion paper that the author has been unable to get published in any scientific journal or peer-reviewed publication. The original version of the paper was released as a pre-print in 2019 and still has not been properly published, meaning the theories have never passed any scientific peer review."

And it continues with a point-by-point rebuttal.

Worth taking a look at.

chengiz 10/26/2024||
Blue zones demographers from https://bluezones.com rebut research against blue zones? Color me convinced!
csallen 10/26/2024||
So your method of assessing the veracity of information has nothing to do with the information itself, but is entirely based upon who it's from?
chengiz 10/26/2024||
Not entirely. But I do know the meaning of vested in vested interests.
csallen 10/26/2024||
If someone tells me 2+2=4 or even 2+2=5, it won't matter to me what their vested interests are, unless I don't know arithmetic.
chengiz 10/31/2024||
Same. But I don't conflate Koolaid with arithmetic.
devoutsalsa 10/26/2024|||
It could be pension fraud!

“Most Age Records are Pension Fraud, Scientist Says” => https://youtu.be/VpwXswyt-zg?si=EyT1KpxA0JY7kk17

asimpletune 10/26/2024|||
Nonetheless it’s not uncommon to see 80 year olds riding bikes here in Italy.
nilawafer 10/26/2024||
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chengiz 10/26/2024||
"Recently been shown" by the paper I linked to.
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