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Posted by Gaishan 10/28/2024

Could you pass this 8th grade test from 1912?(onepercentrule.substack.com)
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ks2048 10/28/2024||
“Parse all the words in the following sentences”. What does that mean? Give the part-of-speech for each word?
glimshe 10/28/2024|
High School students learned compiler fundamentals back then!
bradgranath 10/28/2024||
Well, it asks about Personal Pronouns, so that's half the country's brains exploded right there.
undebuggable 10/28/2024||
I knew all these answers once. Knowing them then got me to where I am now.
axus 10/28/2024||
I've never known exactly the size of a cord of wood.
undebuggable 10/28/2024||
I mean rather culturally, historically, and geographically adjusted as these are very US centric.
jzb 10/28/2024||
“What President was impeached, and on what charge?”

Well that question didn’t age well…

bloomingeek 10/28/2024||
Thank goodness for the internet, best I could tell, I scored a 73! :)
jey 10/28/2024||
What was a passing grade back then? Even today this varies a lot in different systems. In the US public school system, 70% is considered passing, but in other contexts tests are constructed so that e.g. 35% correct is a passing grade.
mmmBacon 10/28/2024||
GenX here. 70% was minimum acceptable grade when I was in US public school and when I was in College. You could technically pass a class in public school with 60% (D-). However you needed a C GPA to graduate high school in my day.

In college anything below a C put you on academic probation. In graduate school anything lower than a B put you on academic probation.

llm_trw 10/28/2024||
At university there were classes where anything less than 80% was considered a fail and there were other classes where anything more than 35% was considered astonishingly good. It really depends on the lecturer and their style.
parpfish 10/28/2024|||
For my college math and physics exams, the profs would pick exercises at random and wouldnt know how hard the test was until after the grades came in. And having a super high ceiling where a 25% is passing allowed them to see if there were any super geniuses in the class
llm_trw 10/28/2024|||
It was indeed in physics/math/cs where I had classes with a passing grade of >30%.

A memorable classes being Electromagnetism 4 where the passing grade in my year was 8% and Quantum Mechanics 3 with 15%.

mmmBacon 10/28/2024||||
I don’t see the point of an exam where a 25% is a passing grade. Sounds like bad teaching to me.

For most classes: say E&M or classical mechanics there are a finite number of problems that you can work out in a 3 hour exam. So you can study accordingly.

For harder classes, we usually had take home exams. The take home exams were extremely demanding but doable. There was no way you could pass in class or take home exams with a 25% grade.

GoblinSlayer 10/28/2024|||
Is there a need for that? At one exam a prof exchanged a couple of words with me and immediately realized I can be given more difficult problems.
pm3003 10/29/2024|||
30% was the lowest passing grade I've ever seen, and it was "Production Engineering" where we mostly had to learn a 650-page script and spill it out during the exam, with questions such as "A 25mm thick [precise alloy type] metal plate is bored with a [drill type] drill with a speed of xxxx rpm. Describe the size and shape of the shavings.". Very stupid, 6h long exam.
StefanBatory 10/29/2024||
For Polish school system (I know it's not relevant but most people still like trivia like this-)

Passing grade, 2, in most schools would be from around 30% to 50%. It's teacher choice.

ralfd 10/28/2024||
Is the rope question’s answer 70 feet?
pekim 10/28/2024||
It's 50 feet.

Using Pythagoras, it's the square root of 30*2 + 40*2. It effectively a 3, 4, 5 right angle triangle.

fastball 10/28/2024|||
It's not worded super clearly, but they mean that the rope is being tied diagonally from the top of the building to a point 30 feet away from the building's base (horizontally). Like you, I initially interpreted the question to mean that the building was 30 feet above ground level, which left me a bit confused.
sandworm101 10/28/2024||
No.

A2 + b2 = c2

And this is pre-calculator so the number is one of the squares that the kids would have memorized. 4^2 + 3^2 = 25 = 50 feet.

paulpauper 10/28/2024|
This all being said - I would expect an 8th grader of 2024 to pass the 1912 test. Look at the questions, they are nothing untoward, not rocket science.

Yeah, but the vast majority wouldn't, so isn't this contradictory? Is he trying to say 8th graders could pass if they studied or had the identical question in advance? That, too, I am skeptical of. Maybe some could, but most would not.

The reason is because the corpus of knowledge is so large. It's not like those are the only questions, but rather drawn from much larger reading. This is why even well-educated adults do poorly on general knowledge tests--what is considered 'general knowledge' is quite vast.

The difference now vs. 1912:

Emphasis on specialization for gifted kids, but also considerable intra-classroom variability of skill, so you have some kids learning multi-variable calc at 9th grade (not at school, but rather at local college, private tutoring , or self-study such as online with apps), and on the other extreme, others still struggling with fractions.

In 1912, the strugglers would have been weeded out by either dropping out of school or learning a trade. Mandatory k-12 school was not yet a thing. So there are selection biases here. Same for demographic change.

t-3 10/28/2024|
The only reason a modern 8th grader wouldn't pass is that most of these questions are about regurgitating memorized snippets of data, which has been out of style for quite a while. The math portion is a few grades less advanced than what I was learning in 8th grade a few decades ago.
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