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Posted by giuliomagnifico 3/29/2025

When the physicists need burner phones, that's when you know America's changed(www.theguardian.com)
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submeta 3/29/2025|
> AIPAC’s Jonathan Kessler co-authored a guide on doxing American professors who protest against Israel in 1984!

> Here he is giving a pep talk to Zionist students on how to takeover student gov to reverse democratically voted policies “just like how AIPAC does it in Congress”

https://x.com/GenXGirl1994/status/1906088715249656167

fmxsh 3/30/2025||
How about this quote:

> Perhaps that’s because most of British academia still can’t get its head around the idea that the US is now an enemy, not an ally, and that the “special relationship” is yesterday’s story.

That's a bold statement. John is using language in a manipulative way. By moving the word "enemy" into a context where it is not justified (is it really war, rather than typical negotiations?), he aims to create a dramatic perspective on a thing that is not obviously dramatic. Drama is the basis of the argument. The cases he bring up do not seem to justify the conclusive dramatic language.

AlecSchueler 3/30/2025|
The US has made itself an enemy of open research and the scientific community, and the article prior to the point you quoted actually does a good job in outlining why people feel that way.

Typical negotiations don't look anything like the policies they're inacting, not like retracting research or cancelling funding on the basis of including keywords that the party deems problematic (regardless of actual content), and certainly not like threats of annexation or extra-judicial disappearances if students writing political pieces in their college magazines.

It is a bold statement and it does sound dramatic, but it's still probably an understatement if you look at what has been happening. It's honestly dumbfounding to continue to see people defending this as in any way normal.

fmxsh 3/31/2025||
> ... but it's still probably an understatement if you look at what has been happening.

That's exactly what I would question. Does the author look just as hard in the other direction and, with intellectual honesty, defend those cases? (should he? why? why not?...) My general sense is the "other side" may have experienced similar treatment that is now being complained about. No, I don't mean it is therefore necessarily justified. I really mean that—I do not think it is therefore necessarily justified.

If I side with any of them, either side may decide I'm no longer in the in-group. Rather than either side being right, both have the same potential for corruption, and that's the real enemy.

This is not a specific answer to the effort you offered in explaining the situation. I would have to look deeper into it.

AlecSchueler 4/1/2025||
I'm not sure what you mean by sides or directions in this case.
timewizard 3/29/2025||
America changed right after 2001. People have been asleep this entire time, presuming that their government would never target them, even though they've slowly been building a giant surveillance network that could only have this ultimate purpose.

Pretending this is "Trump's America" or "Obama's America" or "Bush's America" is ridiculous. They've all participated in building these walls around the country and our freedom.

rsoto2 3/29/2025||
The last five administrations have bombed the poorest country on the planet. Now people are being disappeared by police amidst public cheers. Even the mods on this website think the above headline is sensationalized, meanwhile a few months ago they hosted the AMA of an IDF soldier that probably helped murder children. Major parts of society are pacified and numb.
bongodongobob 3/29/2025|||
I'm guessing this is being downvoted because the crowd here is too young. Our reaction to 9/11 was horrifying to anyone with a brain at the time.
tdeck 3/29/2025||
"We tortured some folks."
Cyph0n 3/29/2025|||
No, it was not torture, it was just “enhanced interrogation” and “extraordinary rendition”.
Daishiman 3/29/2025|||
They manufactured a war.
mixmastamyk 3/29/2025|||
If interested in this, watch “The United States of Secrets,” doc by PBS Frontline.
Cyph0n 3/29/2025||
Precisely. The framework has been in-place since 9/11. The government (i.e., Democrat and Republican) has been testing the limits of what it can get away with, very gradually, ever since.

What Trump is doing right now is nothing but an application of this “domestic security” framework.

Heck, the government even gave everyone a taste of what’s to come with the repression of pro-Palestine college protests across the country, and the dystopian shutdown of any criticism of a foreign country.

You can always ignore the use of repression on people or causes you don’t agree with, but don’t start complaining when you or your cause is the one being repressed.

delichon 3/29/2025||
There may be a silver lining. I think that John Roberts is in the mood to spank, and if Trump comes before him with an expansive interpretation of his plenary powers, Roberts will see him as a convincing counterargument. There could be a definitive ruling supporting the free speech right of non citizens.
guelo 3/29/2025||
John Roberts has been a believer in expanded executive power since before he joined the supreme court.
Trasmatta 3/29/2025|||
John Roberts is one of the people that have been Trump's biggest enablers. I have no faith that he will do anything other than performative actions.
p_j_w 3/29/2025|||
Trump will just ignore the courts. Vance said he should do as much during the campaign and our electorate still foolishly voted for him, so they know there will be no consequences.
ipsocannibal 3/29/2025||
85% of Trump's base think this is a bad idea. Trump is not that impervious to public opinion. Especially from his allies. Trump can't escape the laws of political gravity and isn't militarily strong enough to control the country. If he was Congress would have been jailed by now. He will resist and bend the rules as much as he can. But he needs the system to not break do the barrons don't overthrow his ass.
p_j_w 3/29/2025||
They would’ve said inciting a violent insurrection was bad before he did it too. But once he actively did it they fell in line and continued to back him. They will fall in line when his disobeys a court order.
rufus_foreman 3/29/2025||
John Roberts is playing with fire. As are the district court judges.
submeta 3/29/2025||
Let’s not lose sight of the cause and effect here. The Israel lobby leaned hard on Trump to stamp out any whisper of criticism against Israel. Meanwhile, groups like Betar are gunning to deport pro-Palestinian students, crowing on X about how they’ve compiled lists of critics and handed them straight to the Trump administration.

You can spot the same playbook in Germany, where they’re scheming to strip citizenship from dual-nationality migrants if they dare speak out against Israel. In Berlin, police are brutally pummeling pro-Palestine protesters—scenes you’d never expect to see in Germany.

Then there’s the clampdown in UK and other European countries on journalists and everyday folks calling out Israel’s moves in Palestine.

Across the West, these anti-free-speech tactics are piling up, all to muzzle anyone who questions Israel.

hackburg 3/30/2025|
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