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Posted by croes 4/1/2025

US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back(www.independent.co.uk)
224 points | 146 commentspage 2
aoeusnth1 4/1/2025|
Of course, this is flagged by the reactionary contingent on this site.
croes 4/1/2025||
Strange how tariffs and sanctions are suddenly not an option, especially because the US pays El Salvador to imprison the Venezuelan „gang members“
Terr_ 4/1/2025||
> The Trump administration argues that because the man is no longer in U.S. custody, a U.S. court lacks jurisdiction to issue orders regarding his detention and release.

That's evil and stupid.

By that twisted logic, the President can ship all the gold in Fort Knox to a Russian bank under his own name, and US courts "won't have jurisdiction" to rule that it must be returned.

mcv 4/1/2025||
That's also how the US used to justify torture in Guantanamo Bay. It wasn't US soil, so the prisoners there didn't have the rights and protections that US law and constitution would otherwise give them.
pjc50 4/1/2025|||
Guantanamo Bay is the real bipartisan moral stain here. It was set up exactly to cause this kind of situation, for the extralegal punishment of people deemed to be terrorists.

People claim that Obama "couldn't" close it, but I think DOGE have demonstrated with USAID that the President absolutely could have closed it by executive order and simply cutting off the pay of everyone there.

krapp 4/1/2025|||
>but I think DOGE have demonstrated with USAID that the President absolutely could have closed it by executive order and simply cutting off the pay of everyone there

You're assuming the system would have been as compliant with Obama as they are with Trump, but I doubt that would have been the case. Congress passed a law to make it illegal for Obama to close Gitmo and simply refused to allow it, but their hands are mysteriously tied WRT Trump and DOGE.

Terr_ 4/1/2025||
It was just 10 years ago too... To me, that underscores is how much of the current situation is bad-faith cultism.
watwut 4/1/2025|||
Tho, the level of law breaking by DOGE and Trump himself is unprecedented. Obviously Obama could became fascist as much as they are going, he could sieg heil too ... but him not being as far as them is a good thing about Obama. I am fine with the idea that it was an excuse back then. But, the "he could do the same anti-democratic anti-rule-of-law" decisions as Trump and Obama is not much argument.

Second, Obama did not had supreme court saying "president is above the law and can break it" nor would right wing supreme court justices voted for it. Trump has that ruling, because his politics matches the one of the right wing supreme court justices.

Third, Obama had actual opposition. Conservatives and republicans were opposing EVERYTHIGN he was doing. And had power to do so. Including when he adopted their own ideas. They even threw massive fit about suit of a wrong color. Right now, republicans have all the power including , majority in supreme court, so there are not checks or balances.

jfengel 4/1/2025||||
At least in El Salvador, he's got access to the (notoriously crappy) Salvadorian courts, and the protections granted by the Salvadorian constitution. It's not much, but it's something.

Camp X-Ray was specifically designed to be nobody's jurisdiction. They have nothing.

That is utterly shameful. It brings back reminders of our slave-owning past, where human beings were deprived even of the ownership of their own bodies.

ZeroGravitas 4/1/2025|||
Even then I believe they avoided even transiting via US soil to maintain this thin figleaf of legal protection for torture.
pavlov 4/1/2025|||
The president nowadays has immunity for official acts, so he can ship the gold to Russia anyway if he signs an executive order saying it’s necessary for world peace.
Mordisquitos 4/1/2025|||
Not only that, but it's also inconsistent with the U.S. administration expecting non-US businesses to comply with executive orders even when operating in other countries [0]:

> An executive order that Mr. Trump signed the day after taking office instructs federal contractors not to engage in D.E.I., which the order described as “illegal discrimination.” The letter to French businesses said the order “applies to all suppliers and contractors of the U.S. government, regardless of their nationality and the country in which they operate.”

[0] https://apnews.com/article/french-companies-dei-letter-us-tr...

anigbrowl 4/2/2025||
Have you noticed how this lack of jurisdiction never seems to come up when the US wants to prosecute someone located abroad?
defrost 4/1/2025||
See also: An 'Administrative Error' Sends a Maryland Father to a Salvadoran Prison (theatlantic.com)

90 points | 6 hours ago | 24 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43542333

onemoresoop 4/1/2025||
Trump admin looks closer and closer to nazi germany.
actionfromafar 4/1/2025||
Or maybe, more like Mao. The culture war going IRL.

("Make China great again" already occurred, in the 1960s.)

lynx97 4/1/2025|||
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andxor 4/1/2025|||
Luckily some other countries have free speech.
croes 4/1/2025||
Not the US, there everything has a price tag.
fabian2k 4/1/2025|||
An inappropriate comparison to Nazis would not be illegal even in Germany. Those laws are by far not as broad as you imply here.
anigbrowl 4/2/2025||
Quite - the German press has made the same association in text and on magazine covers multiple times in recent years, and it would be smart to take their perspective into account. GP seems to be rhetorical brinksmanship though.
nroets 4/1/2025||
Please go read up what happened outside Krakow, Poland in the 1940s. I did. I actually visited.

Trump is still very very far away from that.

Assuming this man is innocent, we should rather blame El Salvador for actually imprisoning him.

boroboro4 4/2/2025|||
If you’re planning to start protesting only when something similar to 1940s Germany would happen I have very bad news for you. I, personally, will try to leave the country around 1936, and will try to keep protesting until then.
jahnu 4/1/2025||||
A lesson that is supposed to be learned is not to wait until the camps have been built.
BLKNSLVR 4/1/2025||||
> Assuming this man is innocent, we should rather blame El Salvador for actually imprisoning him.

No! Trump bypassed due process intentionally and quickly (and illegally) so that the courts, which ruled it illegal, couldn't pass the ruling in time to stop the flights.

We should blame Trump and all of the chain of command beneath him that took part in it.

thiht 4/1/2025||||
Nazis came in power in 1933, not 1940. Give it time, MAGA has only been in power for 3 months. There's 4 more years (at least) of more and more unhinged Trumpisms to come.
croes 4/1/2025|||
What happened in Germany 1933?

Its only 3 month since Trump became president.

nroets 4/1/2025||
1933 isn't what the Nazis were known for. Many countries had coups or abandoned democracy or rule of law.

Calling someone a Nazi is saying he's a mass murderer. Don't cry wolf!

croes 4/1/2025||
Hitler wrote Mein Kampf 1924, they weren’t called Nazi back then because they hadn’t committed the mass murders yet, but they already had the mindset.

A Nazi isn’t already a murderer but someone who sees himself as a superior race and others as Untermensch.

Many Nazis didn’t kill anyone but were ok with it.

actionfromafar 4/1/2025||
"Can't" = "makes no effort at all, not even a mail or a phone call".

Be aware though - as soon as anyone ends up in El Salvador (or wherever), it apparently doesn't matter if any "accidents" were had. What's done, is done.

This is incredibly convenient if you want to trim the opposition a little.

k3vinw 4/1/2025||
The headline only tells half the story. This guy had previously been scheduled for deportation due to sufficient evidence that linked him to MS-13. It was an administrative error that he was deported to the wrong country. Here’s a link to the court case: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69777799/abrego-garcia-...
boroboro4 4/2/2025||
The man was (at this particular moment) protected from being deported, the deportation was completely unlawful.

And if you care to read court fillings the proof of the man being gang member is:

- Plaintiff Abrego Garcia was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie.

- A confidential informant claimed he was an active member of MS-13 with the "Westerns" clique (which operates in New York, where Garcia never lived).

k3vinw 4/2/2025||
Except he was here illegally. So that protection was meaningless.
anigbrowl 4/2/2025||
'Sufficient evidence' in this case being an allegation from a confidential informant. If you settle for low standards you will get lower and lower quality outcomes.
fastusdt 4/2/2025||
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OutOfHere 4/1/2025||
It doesn't make any sense that he can't be brought back. Even if he's an illegal immigrant, at least he should be released as conditions in El Salvador have improved for civilians since when he was last in it.
BLKNSLVR 4/1/2025|
Thought bubble only, so maybe this doesn't belong on HN.

There's a possibility he's dead already, and so the current administration or El Salvador or both are stalling for time long enough that the media cycle moves on to something else.

bernhart 4/1/2025||
I would like to remind the people in the us that at some point they will come for you too.
slater 4/1/2025|
I voted for the "Leopards eating faces" party, so I'm pretty sure I'm good. But thank you for your concern!
tastyface 4/1/2025|
The Trump administration wants summary execution of undesirables, but there's currently no political will for that. So they dump their dragnet detainees into a hole in another country and pretend it's not possible for them to come out anymore. That's why they won't deport to countries of origin or try to get the innocent ones back. They need to maintain the illusion of an irreversible process. It's sickening.
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