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Posted by bookofjoe 4/11/2025

Our New AI Website Builder(wordpress.com)
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Apfel 4/11/2025|
If anyone's interested in the prompts they're using here, they're viewable via devtools.

Full dump of what was showing on my end here: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/furnivall/aa95e8d9dc330f3...

rustc 4/11/2025||
WordPress.com launches would be a better title. This builder is not available in WordPress (the open source software) but only WordPress.com (a hosting company owned by the creator of WordPress).

For a moment I thought they added AI integration to the open source Gutenberg plugin.

throwawaymatt 4/11/2025||
A very important distinction indeed. Wordpress.COM is not the same as the self-hosted version at WordPress.ORG

While they've made recent changes to .COM to bring it closer to .ORG mostly as a knee-jerk response to the Matt v WPE scrap, they are still very different experiences.

I rarely advise clients looking to DIY solution to go to WordPress.com

dang 4/11/2025|||
Since wordpress.com is displayed next to the title above, we can fix this by reverting the submission title to that of the article. I've done that now. (Well, I used the minimally baity substring.)

(Submitted title was "WordPress launches new free AI website builder")

pluc 4/11/2025|||
It's funny that the whole lawsuit thing started because Mullenweg was claiming wpengine was confusing customers, when .com and .org is way more confusing.
webspinner 4/11/2025||
I keep them straight usually. However, I don't have to. I just use Classic press.
webspinner 4/11/2025||
Very true! Oh and I would hope not.
rchaud 4/11/2025||
So they finally gave up on making "Full Site Editing" a thing, I take it. I maintain that trying to transition the product away from PHP into a React-ridden mess for the "Block Editor" in 2017 started us down this path of ruin.

Clearly they felt threatened by site builder plugins like Elementor Pro, Beaver Builder, Bricks and others that massively improved the WYSIWYG experience to the point where WP was relegated to the role of invisible scaffolding, a dumb pipe. Considering how badly they botched the redesign into the block editor era, and the madness about WpEngine, they are struggling to shake investor worries.

frereubu 4/11/2025||
I run a WordPress agency and while I think the block editor was foisted on wordpress.org far too quickly, it's been a godsend in terms of allowing our clients much more control over their content. The prospect of going back to the TinyMCE WYSIWYG editor and templates makes me shudder.
AlienRobot 4/11/2025||
I don't get the criticism either. Every time I try to post on a platform I miss the ability of just dragging a paragraph around to reorder it.
artpi 4/12/2025||
This AI builder is actually doubling down on blocks - everything is block based and the canvas it works on is the full site editing. Without block editor, this wouldn’t be possible
AlienRobot 4/11/2025||
Wordpress: create your own website in minutes!

Wordpress new AI: create your own website in minutes!

fragmede 4/11/2025|
The bus, when you live on the route: Get to work in 30 minutes!

A car: Get to work in 30 minutes! (you still have to live and work in the right locations for that to be true, but you now also have deal with traffic)

partiallypro 4/11/2025||
I deal with WordPress a lot, and at least for my set of clients they just don't even have time for this, even with AI. They just wants leads. AI currently is good I guess for a standard 3-5 page site just like some of the other standard builders, but clients with hundreds of pages and heavily reliant on getting leads through campaigns and SEO, I currently don't see any danger (or use) here. Great for SMBs that just need something up quick though.
LordDragonfang 4/11/2025||
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't help but feel this is a solution in search of a problem.

I feel like "building a simple website" has been a solved issue with templates for decades now. The only thing you need to add is the text, and for a useful website, you're already going to have to be typing 90% of that into the prompt anyway - most of what an LLM is going to add will be more of a value-subtract than a value-add.

Sure, that still leaves the tweaking and customization, but I feel like that's the part most people enjoy the most? Humans love decorating.

Maybe I'm seeing this the wrong way, and I'm forgetting truly non-technical folks exist, and this is for the people who would otherwise be forcing their nephew to help them make a basic website, and that's the role the LLM is playing here, as a conversational interface. I think the marketing copy for this announcement is total bullshit, then (plastering "AI" all over the announcement is more for marketers than customers), but I can at least see that use case.

Nckpz 4/11/2025||
I signed up out of curiosity and it looks like it's supposed to complement the manual editing UI so you can get things done without digging through menus. After the initial prompt and wizard, it's a chat box that sits in the corner of a typical WP admin page.

But in its current state, it seemed pretty broken to me. I just wanted it to add text to the top of the front page, and it kept saying "I couldn’t find the block you mentioned. Describe where it is on the page or select it and try again." no matter how many different ways I attempted to describe it.

browningstreet 4/11/2025|||
Going from a basic template to all the little changes you need to make to build the basic shell you need for a new site is still a lot of work. Think of all the best practices cruft required for the pages typically linked to from the footer. A sporting good site is different than a directory blog is different than a single serving social media aggregation site.

I think it's plausible for AI to help with the tedious setup stuff and get you to the part where you start making it your own.

rchaud 4/11/2025||
An AI website will look about as unique as a Facebook profile in 2004. Even the most non-technical people can tell a designer "make it look like this other website that I like". An AI won't be able to understand that, because it can't surf the web, locate the site and analyze what makes it good in the eyes of the customer.
IanCal 4/11/2025|||
> Even the most non-technical people can tell a designer

The vast majority of people who want to make a site don't have a designer, and if they could get one the comparison is something that's near instant and costs pennies.

> An AI won't be able to understand that, because it can't surf the web, locate the site and analyze what makes it good in the eyes of the customer.

Perhaps ignoring the "what makes it good in the eyes of the customer", although I'd argue that point for many things, these systems often can surf the web, can locate sites, can take images as input and already know many major themes and major sites.

rchaud 4/11/2025||
> although I'd argue that point for many things, these systems often can surf the web, can locate sites, can take images as input and already know many major themes and major sites.

But that's not what's being offered here, and my bet is it won't be. It's more lucrative for businesses to put out LLM freemium shovelware and claim it replaces people than do the enormous work of developing the custom models that actually can.

IanCal 4/14/2025||
Those are not custom models, image input is standard in flagship models and searching is offered by multiple providers.
fragmede 4/11/2025|||
> An AI won't be able to understand that, because it can't surf the web

We've given the AI the ability to scrape websites, so I'm not sure that holds.

rchaud 4/11/2025||
Scrapes are cached, it is too expensive and too long to do them on-demand based on a live query. Lots of sites change designs frequently and don't output semantic code in the html source either. And good luck getting the customer to prompt correctly for things like background images, gradients, carousels, animations and page transitions.
omneity 4/12/2025||
We are actually solving this problem by building the Huggingface Hub[0] for browser automations -automatically tested and updated around the clock, and a homegrown distributed automation framework [1] that can leverage your own browser, your community’s or your team’s up to millions of orchestrated browsers.

It’s not just for AI, we created a custom package format[2] for automations that can run in CLI as a one-off, a REST API server, an MCP server with a single command..

0: https://herd.garden/trails

1: https://herd.garden

2: https://herd.garden/docs/trails-automations

frereubu 4/11/2025|||
I have no idea about the quality of the sites this produces, but I think your comment about non-technical folks existing is on the money. There are many people who really don't understand how to properly structure even a simple website, and being walked through a conversation with a series of pertinent questions will be a much more satisfying process.
bookofjoe 4/11/2025||
I am one of them. Without help from a capable and kind developer friend back in 2004 I never ever would have been able to create mine.
IanCal 4/11/2025|||
> I feel like "building a simple website" has been a solved issue with templates for decades now

I did this recently for a friend and 1000% no. It wasn't easy to find a good template or edit it, and things we tried (including various builders) were a massive pain in the arse.

I asked sonnet for a site and had it right in a few minutes. I asked for changes and they just worked. It wasn't a complex site but it was drastically easier, quicker and more fun than dealing with the nuts and bolts of it all.

> Sure, that still leaves the tweaking and customization, but I feel like that's the part most people enjoy the most? Humans love decorating.

Absolutely not.

Choosing customisation? Sure!

Making the customisations? Nope. I'm sure some do, but I and many others I think just want a thing.

Just asking for some changes and seeing them was great.

jjani 4/14/2025||
What did Sonnet build it on, that you ended up using it?

One of the drawbacks of all frontier models (with Sonnet being the most extreme) for web dev is their strong preference for React in any kind of situation, even for Wordpress-blog equivalents where it makes no sense.

hombre_fatal 4/11/2025|||
> Sure, that still leaves the tweaking and customization, but I feel like that's the part most people enjoy the most? Humans love decorating.

Even if that were true (which I heavily contest), people might like the idea of "I want the sidebar nav moved to the right side", not opening up template.css and template.html and figuring out which html/css they need to change.

The LLM is the thing that lets us do the fun part.

But let me disabuse you of the claim that technical people enjoy fiddling with html/css/design especially on their Wordpress website when they just want to make some changes, and somehow nontechnical people are the only ones who might have to circumvent all that fun-having by letting an LLM do it for them.

It's like saying that you don't see how LLMs could be useful to software developers because don't they enjoy writing code? Aside from the answer being no, most code isn't fun to write, you're forgetting the goal day to day is to get something done, not dick around with your Wordpress theme or software Jira tickets because it's fun.

nottorp 4/11/2025||
Jira tickets: depends on what metrics your management is using?

It may well be your life goal.

addicted 4/11/2025|||
This is a solved problem even in the sense that nearly all the Wordpress competitors already offer this.
rchaud 4/11/2025||
another term for it is "investor driven development".
thetwopct 4/11/2025||
WordPress.com ≠ WordPress

Conflating the two is like mistaking GitHub for Git.

rchaud 4/11/2025|
They are much more similar to each other than Git as they share the same plugin ecosystem, core developers and the base layer CMS is identical. I imagine there are many more feature differences between Git and Github.
thetwopct 4/11/2025||
Feel free to insert an analogy that pleases you. WordPress.com is a hosting company that has its own staff and contributes approx 40 hours per month to the WordPress open source project. WordPress core development is made up of contributors. The AI builder is not available for WordPress, it’s exclusively for the hosting company WordPress.com. WordPress.com on their basic plan restrict any plugin usage. There are no usage restrictions on the open source software. This is just a taste of the distinctions. The title of this post has now been updated, but regardless, WordPress.com is not WordPress.
redwoodsec 4/13/2025||
Fwiw just tried the WordPress AI web builder it sucks
codemartial 4/12/2025||
Looks like landing pages with templates
throwawaymatt 4/11/2025|
yawn Pretty much every major WP builder has an AI component. I'm sure this one is as half-baked as all the others.
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