Posted by MrVandemar 7 days ago
No. The act of irreversible deletion is meaningful and has a real effect, archiving is not at all the same thing. It’s like moving houses and carrying all the junk you had in your attic to a new garage: all the crap is still there, you still think about it, getting rid of it is liberating. Even if you discover you needed something you threw away, having to redo it from scratch will require doing it differently, with fresh insights.
> has a real effect
Sure, and I've mentioned one such effect - inability to access knowledge when you change your mind later.
And redoing doesn't require doing anything differently, you could end up doing exactly the same thing finding that useful info, just wasting more time in the process.
And the digital things take space in your disk and, more importantly, the mind.
> inability to access knowledge when you change your mind later.
If you change your mind later. I’m an avid deleter, have been for years, and have never regretted it. It won’t happen, the upside of deletion is just too good.
That regret is a you thing (shared by many others), not a universal human characteristic. You’re not the author of the post, so your feelings don’t apply to them and their decision.
> you could end up doing exactly the same thing finding that useful info
Yes, you could. That is extremely unlikely, but you could.
> just wasting more time in the process.
And it still wouldn’t have been a waste of time. Not only would you have confirmed everything, which is extremely useful, it is very unlikely you wouldn’t have thought of new ideas or gained new insights in the process.
They don't, your mind isn't big enough to worry about everything you store digitally. You need to at least try to state the actual issues with just knowing that your archive exists. The article at least established personal issues with maintaining the notes, but you failed to even try!
> I’m an avid deleter, have been for years, and have never regretted it.
How is it relevant when "your feelings don’t apply to them and their decision."?
> It won’t happen, the upside of deletion is just too good.
What crystal ball with the perfect visibility into the rest of your life have you glanced this certainty from?
> That regret is a you thing (shared by many others)
No, that's just an ~ad hominem you've made up. I didn't talk about regret. The issue could just be a waste of time later without any feeling of regret involved.
> Not only would you have confirmed everything
You don't have the old version, so you wouldn't know whether you've confirmed or rejected anything.
> which is extremely useful
Don't stop here, what's the usefulness?
> it is very unlikely you wouldn’t have thought of new ideas or gained new insights in the process.
You could say exactly the same thing about reading your old notes since new insight isn't banned there. The only more certain difference is the extra effort required to recreate.
Patently incorrect. I did worry. Not about the contents of every little thing, but the fact that they existed. Some unmanaged, some improperly categorised, some perfectly triaged but no longer useful…
> The article at least established personal issues with maintaining the notes, but you failed to even try!
What does that even mean, “failed to even try”? Did you fail to even try to give me a recipe for chocolate cake? I didn’t think that would be relevant, so I didn’t mention it. But alright, I gave you some details in the rest of the post. All you had to do was ask, no need to criticise others for not doing something they didn’t even knew you wanted.
> How is it relevant when "your feelings don’t apply to them and their decision."?
That’s not the jab you seem to think it is. It is relevant precisely as way of example of something similar to the author. It is precisely so I don‘t speak for them that I gave you a personal example that is close enough. It presents “the other side” (people who delete) in a way we can engage without assuming anything about the author.
First you complain that I “failed to even try” to talk about my experience, then you complain when I talked about my experience in that very same post. Please make up your mind.
> What crystal ball with the perfect visibility into the rest of your life have you glanced this certainty from?
Do you not see how this counter argument is counter productive? By the same token, I could ask you by what crystal ball do you know neither I nor the author are better off by the deletion of material. The answer is: you don’t. And maybe I can’t know for certainty either, but I sure as hell know myself better than you know me. And I do know what I threw away in the past, and the things I lost accidentally (tangential issue), and I know what my attitude and life repercussions have been. And for that, I can say with certainty I prefer things as they are, with the deletion.
> I didn't talk about regret.
Changing your mind about something you did isn’t regret? Alright then, let’s forget the word, replace it instead of “that feeling of wasted time”. Doesn’t really change the argument (because, crucially, that’s not what an ad hominem is).
> You don't have the old version, so you wouldn't know whether you've confirmed or rejected anything.
Deleting a digital file doesn’t erase your memory. But either way, I meant confirmation in the sense of reasserting the research. Doesn’t matter what the old version said, only that the new one is correct. Also, crucially, if in your scenario you can’t be sure of what the old version said, then you also don’t know if the time was wasted or not.
> Don't stop here, what's the usefulness?
It’s in that exact same sentence you quoted. It’s literally all the rest of it that you cut from the quote.
> You could say exactly the same thing about reading your old notes
With the monumental difference that in this case the old notes were a cause of stress. In hundreds of notes, maybe you’ll have to recreate one or two. Or maybe none. Yet not having all the other cruft is absolutely worth the trade off. Maybe not for you, but certainly for me, and probably the author of the post.
I had around 3.8k collected over the span of 4 years
Ruh roh
I realized they were absolutely useless but carried a weird weight for me.
“What if I need something important from them?” Nope. If there’s something important then I can ask whomever again.
“What if I want to go through them?” Nope. Never even thought about it since I deleted them. Not even the first times I chatted with my now-wife.
Once I realized they were useless it helped me never save my WhatsApp messages and I turned on disappearing messages as soon as the feature appeared. I have another friend I’ve known for 20+ years, we set messages to 8 hours disappearing. If we miss a message or forget what we talked about, so be it.
It’s all so freeing, I never realized what a burden it could be, worrying about what if I lost something. I delete everything now except my photos which have more value.
I have never even thought about this being a burden in any way.
It's interesting that people have such different perspectives on this.