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Posted by bearsyankees 6/30/2025

Xfinity using WiFi signals in your house to detect motion(www.xfinity.com)
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notepad0x90 6/30/2025|
Worth mentioning that unlike some ISPS Xfinity does let you use your own DOCSIS modems, which is the ideal way of using an ISP. ISP provided gateway's WIFI is not ideal for privacy, security and performance.

Comcast in general has a long history of snooping around and messing with users' traffic. Not that the alternatives are much better. Regular folks are screwed on this matter.

But perhaps for HNers setting up your own trusted WIFI AP and routing it (and all other traffic) through an internet gateway that routes your traffic over a secure channel (whatever that is for you, Tor, VPN services, VPN over your own cloud/vps,etc..) is ideal. It goes without saying, your DNS traffic should also not be visible to the ISPs.

Keep in mind that they sell all this data (including the motion data) not just to law enforcement but to arbitrary well-paying data brokers and other clients.

0xbadcafebee 6/30/2025||
I'm sure people will want to make it seem like Comcast is doing something evil here, but they're not:

> Comcast does not monitor the motion and/or notifications generated by the service.

> This feature is currently only available for select Xfinity Internet customers as part of an early access preview.

> WiFi Motion is off by default.

Features like this at Comcast are typically one or two engineers on a random team coming up with a cool idea, testing it out, and if it works, they ask if they can roll it out en-masse. If it's just a software or server/backend thing and it doesn't have any negative impact, it gets accepted. Despite their terrible customer service and business practices, they do some cool stuff sometimes. They also release a fair bit of home-grown stuff as open source, which is expensive and time-consuming, but [they hope] it attracts engineers.

Sephr 7/1/2025||
> does not monitor motion

This doesn't mean that they can't monitor motion (e.g. as compelled via NSL). This product sorely needs E2EE.

unit_circle 6/30/2025||
It's all well and good until the MBAs get a hold of it... Technology doesn't exist in a vacuum.
avonmach 7/1/2025||
or a third party
Oreols 7/2/2025||
If it is what I think it is -> I worked on it at Technicolor.

The tech is very cool, the initial pitch was to fine tune wifi performance to get the best bandwidth\coverage ratio for a particular customer. But indeed, during testing we quickly discovered that we can map apartments and houses to some extent. You knew when someone was on the toilet for example.

abuani 6/30/2025||
I really wish Xfinity focused on providing a reliable service instead of building out next gen surveillance machines
esaym 7/1/2025||
> WiFi Motion will function only in areas of your home where you have strong WiFi signals traveling between your gateway and your WiFi-connected devices, and Comcast does not guarantee or warrant performance.

It is clearly just monitoring RSSI and everybody's acting like this is some spooky radar based technology.

p1mrx 7/1/2025||
Might be useful for people to investigate hardware mods that disable WiFi on their newer gateways. I have an XB3, but motion detection requires an XB7/XB8: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43527521
bix6 7/1/2025||
Can anyone recommend a worthwhile setup for me? I am interested in switching my setup on Cox. It seems the Arris S33 plus Unifi Dream Router is one of my best options for good speed and features like ad blocking and VLAN? Best to buy direct from the manufacture or is Amazon ok?
AzzyHN 7/1/2025|
People really like the Arris S33 and the motorola... god I think it's the SB8200? something like that.
vid 7/1/2025||
How long is it before a starlink has this capability. Maybe a stretch, but also inevitable. I think about the fact that there are probably many uses of starlink that don't involve a consumer login, they just provide ubiquitous surveillance wherever.
qwertox 7/1/2025||
I treat the ISP-provided gateway as a part of the internet, I don't use its WiFi and don't attach other devices to it which are not my own router or a honeypot. The subnet the gateway resides in is like a moat surrounding a castle.
Squeeeez 6/30/2025|
People here claiming "stick the ISP modem in a microwave oven, put on a tin foil hat and use your own device" -- do you truly, 100% trust that nobody but you has access to said "own" device?
transpute 6/30/2025|
Start by implementing AP per-client authentication for Wi-Fi client devices.
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