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Posted by spenvo 7/1/2025

Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'(www.wired.com)
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morepork 7/2/2025|
This looks similar to what Meta (then Facebook) did a decade ago and basically broke the agreements between Apple, Google, etc. to not poach each others employees
noisy_boy 7/2/2025||
That means he is moaning because Meta is able to inflict sufficient pain for him to feel it. Seems Meta is pretty serious about it.

Job market forces working as they should.

basisword 7/2/2025|
I think it's more that he's reinforcing the 'mission' and defining the good guys/bad guys so that he doesn't lose more employees to Meta.
noisy_boy 7/2/2025||
Could be but how many of the people in OpenAI still believe in that 'mission' thing after all the drama he has been involved in for so long?
Joel_Mckay 7/2/2025||
Startups with unstable revenue models often don't stand a chance against FANG company budgets. Also, high-level talent is rarely fungible with standard institutional training programs, and have options that are more rewarding than a CEOs problems.

Unfortunately, productive research doesn't necessarily improve with increased cash-burn rates. As many international post docs simply refuse to travel into the US these days for "reasons". =3

"The CEO and the Three Envelopes" ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38725206 )

9283409232 7/1/2025||
Is he comparing working at OpenAI to religion? Is that not a crazy analogy to make? Cult like behavior to say the least. It's also funny the entire business of AI is poaching content from people.
joshdavham 7/1/2025||
I think Meta already has very deep cultural problems.

If you've ever browsed teamblind.com (which I strongly recommend against as I hate that site), you'll see what the people who work at Meta are like.

meta_ai_x 7/1/2025||
That's true with every Tech company employees. They all want $1 M TC and work 10 hours / week
darth_avocado 7/1/2025|||
You’re describing the management not the employees
FooBarBizBazz 7/1/2025|||
The 4% Rule means everybody with $25M is getting $1M per year for zero hours of work per week. Google tells me Sam has $1.7B.
yodsanklai 7/1/2025|||
What are they like? since you recommend not browsing this site?
joshdavham 7/1/2025||
The posts from Meta employees on teamblind are generally cynical, status/wealth-obsessed and mean.
thomassmith65 7/1/2025||
Off topic, but the existence of this teamblind.com site escaped my notice till now.

Is there a particular reason to hate it (aside from it being social media)?

runeblaze 7/1/2025|||
It has obvious pros, but since you asked about the cons —- anonymity brings the worst out of people; TC chasing leads to a reductionist view of people’s values and skills.

For example unlike HN you don’t often do technical discussions on blind, by design. So it is a “meta”-level strategy discussion of the job, then it skews politics, gossips, stock price etc..

This is compounded by it being social media, where negativity can be amplified 5-10x.

beering 7/1/2025||||
Mainly because it brings out the worst in people. It’s easy to read Blind too much and take on a very cynical, money-driven view of everything in your life, which of course a Blind addict would justify as clear-eyed and pragmatic.
joshdavham 7/1/2025||||
I hate teamblind because it makes me feel really negative about our industry.

I actually really like tech - the problems we get to work on, the ever-changing technological landscape, the smart and passionate people, etc, etc. But teamblind is just filled with cynical, wealth-obsessed and mean careerists. It's like the opposite of HN in many ways.

And if you ever wondered where the phrase "TC or GTFO" originated... it's from teamblind.

yodsanklai 7/1/2025|||
I looked at it once, seemed full of young men discussing hair loss issues and how to get a girlfriend.
_stillmind 7/1/2025||
https://archive.ph/9i9vo
gist 7/1/2025||
In any case this is business and in many cases how business operates. Nice try on Sam's part to try and make it like it's a bad thing and everybody is for the good of the purpose.
ndgold 7/2/2025||
Actually, I think that people who do it for the love of the game are the true winners here, whether they work for a company or not. You can't beat intrinsic motivation.
roguecoder 7/2/2025|
Intrinsic motivation + a seven figure paycheck seems strictly better than intrinsic motivation alone
qnleigh 7/2/2025||
An observation: most articles with titles of the form "A SLAMS B" put forward a narrow, one-sided view of the issue they report on. Oftentimes they're shallow attempts to stir outrage for clicks. This one is just giving a CEO a platform to promote how awesome he thinks his company is.

All these articles and videos of people "slamming" each other; it doesn't move the needle, and it's not really news.

bux93 7/2/2025|
Seems to me that articles with titles in the form "A SLAMS B" take a single negative comment that A made about something associated with B and build a few paragraphs around it as if it were a huge controversy, while in the mean time both A and B already forgot about the issue.
ilioscio 7/1/2025|
At least from the outside, OpenAI's messaging about this seems obnoxiously deluded, maybe some of those employees left because it starts feels like a cult built on foundations of self importance? Or maybe they really do know some things we don't know, but it seems like a lot of people are eager to keep giving them that excuse.

But then again, maybe they have such a menagerie of individuals with their heads in the clouds that they've created something of an echo chamber about the 'pure vision' that only they can manifest.

evklein 7/1/2025||
Yeah it's a tough spot he's found himself in. How do you convince people who know more about this stuff than anybody that you're barreling towards something that's an improbability? It seems that most of them have made their choice to turn more towards reality, the material reality, and register their skill with an organization that holds that in higher regard. I can't blame them, and neither can he, but he also can't help himself when it comes to reiterating the hype. He might be projecting about that 'deep-seated cultural issue' he's prescribing to meta, and lashing out against those who don't accept it.
lenerdenator 7/1/2025||
> I can't blame them, and neither can he

He's certainly trying with statements like this.

To be fair, he's hardly alone. Business is built on dupers and dupees. The duper talks about how important the mission of the business is while taking the value of the labor of the dupee. If he had to work for the money he pays the dupee, he would be a lot less interested in the mission.

reactordev 7/1/2025|||
I think it’s more of the latter. We’ve already seen others beat them in their own game. Only for them to come back with a new model.

In the end, this is the same back and forth that Apple and Sun shared in the late 90s or Meta and Google in 2014. We could have made non-competes illegal today but we didn’t.

toast0 7/1/2025||
(post employment) Non-competes have been non-enforcable in California since 1872. They became illegal in California last year.

A federal rule would be nice, but the state rule where a lot of the development happens could be sufficient.

dandanua 7/1/2025|||
In our times, every narcissist sees himself as a saint and a messiah on a mission to save the world, while doing the complete opposite of that. And they get very angry when they see other narcissists trying to do the same.
DebtDeflation 7/2/2025|||
This is the most succinct description of our current reality that I've ever seen. Kudos!
bdangubic 7/2/2025|||
lovely words. except there isn’t single one that gives two shits about the world
reb 7/1/2025||
Ehh, this take feels ungenerous to me. You don't have to believe a private firm is a holy order for it to benefit from a culture filled with "we believe this specific project is Important" people vs "will work at whatever shop drops the most cash" people.

Mercenaries by definition select for individual dollar outcomes, and its impossible for that not to impact the way they operate in groups, which is generally to the group's detriment unless management is incredibly good at building group-first incentive structures that don't stomp individual outcomes.

That said, mercenary-missionaries are definitely a thing. They're unstoppable forces culturally and economically, and that could be who we're seeing move around here.

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